CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Equation]

Sun Tzu's strategies are not all about hiding. He stresses flexibility and focuses on hiding one's capabilities when you are weak so that your enemy is unsure whether they should attack and how much damage you can inflict. On the other hand, boast your capabilities when you are strong so that your enemy's confidence is shaken and you can achieve your objectives without even fighting.

China was doing a lot of hiding in the 80's, 90's and 2000's when they were still weak. They wanted opponents to be confused about their true capabilities, thus discouraged from attacking China. Now China is not so weak any more. So their strategies have been shifted to boasting their capabilities so that their opponents would not underestimate them and would not make military decisions against them lightly. This is what the US has been doing. This is also why the US is not shy about showing off their new toys. The shock and awe would be enough to force enemy to back down. And China is moving into similar situation now.

This is especially the case when talking about DF-21, a weapon that supposedly posts huge threat to China's potential opponents. Hiding its capabilities would not do any good at all. Like nuclear weapons, actually using such weapon would be the last resort (about to start WWIII). The main purpose is deterrence. To become a deterrence, you want to be as invincible as you can. Thus, it makes no sense to hide it.

It is not China's business is to explain the capability of the DF-21 as some sort of deterrent weapon. If some regime changer want's to know if it's for real than they have to find out the hard way. And that alone is already a deterrent in itself.

 

[bd popeye]

Withing the next week to 10 days USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group will be operating in or very near the SCS area claimed by China.

USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group consist of;

USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)
Carrier Air Wing 2;
VFA-2 Bounty Hunters
VFA-34 Blue Blasters
VFA-137 Kestrels
VFA-192 Golden Dragons
HSC-4 Black Knights
HSM-78 Bluehawks
VAW-113 Black Eagles
VAQ-136 Gauntets
VRC-30 Det 2 Providers

USS Lake Champlain (CG-57)
USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112)
USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108).
and 1 unknown SSN

What will China do? Will they send out CV-16 as a demonstration of force? Will the PLAN shadow these ships or harass them? Will they be overflown by the PLAAF? Just what will happen? In the words of that great American, Jeff Head,.." time will tell".

Stand by for Cold War II.

 

[vesicles]

Withing the next week to 10 days USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group will be operating in or very near the SCS area claimed by China.

USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group consist of;

USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)
Carrier Air Wing 2;
VFA-2 Bounty Hunters
VFA-34 Blue Blasters
VFA-137 Kestrels
VFA-192 Golden Dragons
HSC-4 Black Knights
HSM-78 Bluehawks
VAW-113 Black Eagles
VAQ-136 Gauntets
VRC-30 Det 2 Providers

USS Lake Champlain (CG-57)
USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112)
USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108).
and 1 unknown SSN

What will China do? Will they send out CV-16 as a demonstration of force? Will the PLAN shadow these ships or harass them? Will they be overflown by the PLAAF? Just what will happen? In the words of that great American, Jeff Head,.." time will tell".

Stand by for Cold War II.

Fighters Shadowing them? Maybe... CV-16 out to meet them? Maybe not...

It also depends on where the USN CSG actually goes. If they stay in the same course as other USN FON trips, maybe nothing will happen. But if they decide to go near those islands, PLAN and PLANAF will come out for sure. I think it all depends on how close the USN CSG gets.

Another possibility would be a slightly hotter than expected meet between the USN and the PLAN because of those comments by Trump and Tillerson. The PLAN might have gotten orders from Xi to demonstrate how determined China is to defend their islands...

The CV-16 is still in Dalian?

 

[Equation]

Withing the next week to 10 days USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group will be operating in or very near the SCS area claimed by China.

USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) Carrier Strike Group consist of;

USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)
Carrier Air Wing 2;
VFA-2 Bounty Hunters
VFA-34 Blue Blasters
VFA-137 Kestrels
VFA-192 Golden Dragons
HSC-4 Black Knights
HSM-78 Bluehawks
VAW-113 Black Eagles
VAQ-136 Gauntets
VRC-30 Det 2 Providers

USS Lake Champlain (CG-57)
USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112)
USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108).
and 1 unknown SSN

What will China do? Will they send out CV-16 as a demonstration of force? Will the PLAN shadow these ships or harass them? Will they be overflown by the PLAAF? Just what will happen? In the words of that great American, Jeff Head,.." time will tell".

Stand by for Cold War II.

Will any of them US carrier strike group will stop China from building and claiming it's sovereignty down in the SCS? Stay tune for another episode of whistling through the grave yard to show the might of "freedom of navigation" to her temporary "allies" to make it seem like they are actually doing something?

 

[Jeff Head]

@Equation , the US is doing something.

They are asserting the right to Freedom of Navigation. Nothing wrong with that...it is every nation's right. They are just punctuating it in the SCS.

China is improving its islands and belongings in the South China Sea...making entire Islands out of what once were simply reefs. The US sailing past those new islands is not going to change them.

The Chinese improving those islands is not going to stop the US from conducting FON operations.

Neither side can stop the other short of war...which neither side wants.

So they will both do, as I have been saying for years, what they are doing to show their own people and allies that they have the will and the capability of doing those things.

That is something on both sides. But the position that has been strengthened in the SCS is China's. They have new bases, in strong proximity and position of each other.

It is forcing the US to spend more time doing FON in the are to make their point.

Short of one side doing something stupid...I do not see this changing. it is the new reality and both sides are going to end up accepting it IMHO.

 

[Intrepid]

They are asserting the right to Freedom of Navigation. Nothing wrong with that...it is every nation's right. They are just punctuating it in the SCS.

Do Liaoning fits into the locks of the Panama Canal? If yes, it will travell into the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[tphuang]

I deleted a bunch of off topic and political posts. Please stay on topic

 

[Brainsuker]

Do Liaoning fits into the locks of the Panama Canal? If yes, it will travell into the Gulf of Mexico.

I think Liaoning, with all capability that it has now, is a defensive aircraft carrier. Her range of power projection will be limited to the north area of SCS and East China Sea. If China wants to project power far from her mainland, they need bigger A.C that able to bring bigger aircrafts like AWACS, etc.

 

[Intrepid]

If China wants to project power far from her mainland, they need bigger AC that able to bring bigger aircrafts like AWACS, etc.

In peacetime AWACS is not neccessary.

 

[MwRYum]

Do Liaoning fits into the locks of the Panama Canal? If yes, it will travell into the Gulf of Mexico.

The New Panama Canel Expansion, open to commercial ops last year, allows ships with up to 49m beam to fit through, and PLAN Liaoning is 38m beam. So it can go through the Panama Canel now.

But by all reasons and logics, why'd the Chinese want to send the Liaoning through the Panama Canel to the Gulf of Mexico anyway? A round-the-world cruise mission like the Great White Fleet would be the only answer, however the Liaoning is primary a training carrier, which means most of her working life will be spend nowhere far from Chinese waters.