CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Blitzo]

Not just a potential role but a particular eye for deploying these assets in a Taiwan scenario. The US pivot and the DPP advance against the KMT in Taiwan both increase the likelihood of a Taiwan conflict and have been in the making for years, which means the PRC and PLA had the same amount of time to plan accordingly for the worst case scenario. Now a Trump administration full of China hawks and anti-China rhetoric only means a worst case scenario is more likely.

This backdrop, the apparent rate at which the 001A is being built, that the 001A is built at all purportedly due to the political leadership adjusting military development plans delaying the development of a much more capable carrier but an all new design potentially with all new technologies indicate they want reliable carriers, which also happen to be fewer eggs in each basket, available for use sooner.

While carriers of the 001A's capability can be helpful to the PRC in both ECS and SCS scenarios ultimately carriers are unnecessary for the ECS and are redundant for the SCS, and neither scenario is important enough to justify an unwanted full scale war in the near future. However Taiwan fits the bill being important enough, at risk enough, and 001A carriers can uniquely contribute both to accelerate a PRC takeover of Taiwan and decelerate any third party intervention. Even a second 001A is likely especially since there are sufficient escorts already available.

Well, there are obviously a number of roles that carriers can have for a Taiwan scenario, but also a general westpac contingency scenario.

My point is that we should be careful to not attribute the increased reach and increased range of exercises (both naval and air) of the Chinese military in westpac as necessarily being related to a specific contingency but rather developing more broad capabilities and experience that can be applied as part of multiple different types of westpac contingencies... not to mention the increased reach and location of these exercises is reflective of the overall increased competency and range of the Chinese military in a general sense, which would have occurred with or without any specific tensions (such as in Taiwan) or not.


As for carrier plans, err let's stick to what we know. i.e., that after 001A will be 002. The way it works is that we hear of rumours and we try to order rationalize those rumours into a sensible explanation -- we don't get to extrapolate out ideas that rumours have already suggested will not occur (like a second 001A when 002 is already on the cards).

I also don't know what you mean 001As are can "uniquely" contribute to accelerate PRC in Taiwan contingency and decelerate third party intervention... Is that because they are a carrier, or because they are a STOBAR carrier, or because they are just a high profile and high capability piece of military equipment? Because in all of those categories 001A is not particularly unique in assisting the PLA in any sort of Taiwan contingency or counter intervention strategy.


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as for building 001A -- the rate that it's being built is probably less a reflective of any sense of urgency and more just a result of streamlined procurement and having a capable shipbuilding industry... I do not see the production of 001A or the procurement of 001A as being particularly related to any recent political developments. From what pop3 has suggested, the choice to build 001A was also due to 002 not having some of its subsystems ready (likely catapults), and the Navy decided they wanted another carrier before 002 could arrive so they went for 001A.

 

[Intrepid]

... what is it good for? and is it in the red ellipse I added?

Yes, I meant what is encircled in red. It is a visual landing aid. In good visibility you probably do not need it, rather at night or all-weather flight operation.

 

[delft]

While some political developments make a Taiwan contingency more likely the growth of China's capabilities makes it less likely.
Building a carrier is a very complex business that cannot be accelerated significantly because of some acute political circumstance.

 

[Tyloe]

Sounds like no tugs from Japanese MoD statement

 

[Franklin]

Nice to see progress on the Liaoning. Now we need to see night ops and a escort fleet and she is ready for the open seas. Maybe a foreign port call.

 

[Sczepan]

.... Now we need to see night ops and a escort fleet and she is ready for the open seas. Maybe a foreign port call.

she is on the way - including her CBG

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[Jura The idiot]

google translation of the caption

中国初の空母「遼寧」が日本の海上自衛隊によって初めて東シナ海で確認されました。　24日午後4時ごろ、海上自衛隊の護衛艦が東シナ海の中部の海域で、中国軍初の空母「遼寧」やミサイル駆逐艦など7隻を確認しました。今のところ、領海侵犯はありません。

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"China's first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was confirmed for the first time in the East China Sea by the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force. An escort ship of the Maritime Self Defense Force confirmed seven ships, including the first Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning" and a missile destroyer, in the western region of the East China Sea around 4 pm on 24th. As of now, there are no violations of territorial waters."

 

[delft]

As of now, there are no violations of territorial waters."

Of course.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

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[Hyperwarp]

This is unrelated I have problem with Google Chrome .Seem I can't edit in this forum using google chrome Any expert out there I try clearing the cache and cookie no avail

Chrome gives me all sorts of headaches too. Everything works fine with Firefox.