kwaigonegin
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Yes.. That's exactly what it is so if u need to dump crap overboard it doesn't get stuck on the safety catch.
CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations
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Yes.. That's exactly what it is so if u need to dump crap overboard it doesn't get stuck on the safety catch.
kwaigonegin
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Yes, I think WestPAC drills etc would be her final 'test'. If she performs well there we will finally have a fully armed and operational battle station.
I have not kept track like some of you but I believe this is the first time she has ventured way past the 1st island chain. Is that correct?
That's a very nive grouping, thugh I would think that the Type 056 would have pretty short leggws for any foray deep into the Pacific.
Just the same.
1 x Type 052D DDG
2 x Type 052C DDG
2 x Type 054A FFG
1 x Type 056A FF
and then the replenishment ship, will make a very good grouping.
I always expected a Type 52D an one or two Type 052Cs and two Type 054As. Those would be very good for deep ocean forays and exercises.
Soon enough it will be
1 x Type 055
2 x Type 052D
2 x Type 054A
at lease. That's where they are headed with their building schedule and that would be a really good peace time CSG.
The US CSG is currently
1 x Tico AEGIS CG
2 x Burke AGIS DDG
1-2 x LCS
Okay. in that latest Hi-Def YouTube video of the Bphai operation/exercise,
I was able to clearly identify the following of the 13 aircraft on deck:
120
104
113
103
119
116
111
102
100
That's nine, meaning four others were used. but clearly 107, 110, 117 were not seen. THis does not mean that none of the other four were not one of those three (except 117 which I think is confirmed lost), but no way of knowing from this video in any case about 107 and 110, which are rumored to have been lost.
I was able to clearly identify the following of the 13 aircraft on deck:
120
104
113
103
119
116
111
102
100
That's nine, meaning four others were used. but clearly 107, 110, 117 were not seen. THis does not mean that none of the other four were not one of those three (except 117 which I think is confirmed lost), but no way of knowing from this video in any case about 107 and 110, which are rumored to have been lost.
The escorts in this exercise have been drawn from both the ESF and SSF, so this definitely is not any sort of permanent escort force for the Liaoning, but is more likely a temporary assigned organization to continue assessing coordination/command/operation of a relatively complete CSG as a continuation of learning to operate a carrier.
Though of course, conducting CSG operations integrating multiple escort types and with a replenishment ship (rather than more basic flight operations only within a single carrier without coordination of other ships that the Liaoning was mostly doing in earlier years), is a big step to developing a future permanent CSG escort routine for the fleet at large.
I imagine that will only occur once CV-17 is in service, when the need for more regular and organized CSG escort duties will be in greater demand.
I also expect Liaoning in the near future (1-2 years) to have a role in larger scale naval confrontational exercises within the Navy where it and whatever escorts it has will operate in a coordinated navy-wide exercise against simulated opfor played by other ships in the Navy. Such an exercise at the "operational level" would be among the more complex operations that a carrier of any nation's navy would be expected to demonstrate itself in to prove itself truly in the high rungs of operational proficiency, as it would require mastery of lower levels of carrier aviation, as well as proficiency in conducting CSG operations -- aka mastery of the tactical level of operations.
The presence of the 056A is interesting, is this the first time any 056 has exercised beyond the 1st island chain?
Besides from vetting carrier ops and co-ordination among all these ship classes I feel that there was definitely an eye out for a Taiwan conflict scenario.
as the navy and air force conducts more and more exercises and operations beyond the first island chain in the western pacific, I feel like there will be more and more attribution of the intent of them to be directed at taiwan in some way, and while I think that will partly be true, it is also important to recognize that for Chinese forces to conduct exercises in westpac beyond the first island chain in the first place would require bypassing Taiwan in some form.
So I think it would be correct to say that all exercises of this nature will probably have a potential role in a hypothetical Taiwan contingency, but the goal of the exercise may not be exclusively related to Taiwan.
Not just a potential role but a particular eye for deploying these assets in a Taiwan scenario. The US pivot and the DPP advance against the KMT in Taiwan both increase the likelihood of a Taiwan conflict and have been in the making for years, which means the PRC and PLA had the same amount of time to plan accordingly for the worst case scenario. Now a Trump administration full of China hawks and anti-China rhetoric only means a worst case scenario is more likely.
This backdrop, the apparent rate at which the 001A is being built, that the 001A is built at all purportedly due to the political leadership adjusting military development plans delaying the development of a much more capable carrier but an all new design potentially with all new technologies indicate they want reliable carriers, which also happen to be fewer eggs in each basket, available for use sooner.
While carriers of the 001A's capability can be helpful to the PRC in both ECS and SCS scenarios ultimately carriers are unnecessary for the ECS and are redundant for the SCS, and neither scenario is important enough to justify an unwanted full scale war in the near future. However Taiwan fits the bill being important enough, at risk enough, and 001A carriers can uniquely contribute both to accelerate a PRC takeover of Taiwan and decelerate any third party intervention. Even a second 001A is likely especially since there are sufficient escorts already available.
Jura The idiot
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moments ago I read 'the SCS speculation' inside of
Chinese Carrier Conducts Fighter Drills on Open Seas
source is Military.com
Jura The idiot
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