CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[jimmyjames30x30]

Frankly speaking USN has no respect for Liaoning and shandong, they dont believe those can match CV Rooseveltt and Reagan.

Now, what if the force multipler FC31 or j35 onboard Liaoning. 20 j35 onboard Liaoning will definitely make USN think 2nd and 3rd times when it match against super horneted based US carrier.

I think that will change the psychological factor.

To me, j35, will be the force multiplier outthere even on a carrier like Liaoning. Unlike j20 which hiding inland , doesnt have that much an impact.

Think about this. If the US want to include India in her grand "Indo-Pacific Strategy" (and have successfully persuaded India to join this effort), Indian navy as it is today will be of little help to the US vision. Or worse, India could be the weak link of that grand strategy, becoming an liability in the sense that Chinese navy could focus on India and thus drag the US in. In this case, the US would have to put in more effort and resources in order to protect India. This will defeat the purpose of such grand strategy, because one of the main reason to form this strategy is to decrease the load on the US, and draw in allies to share responsibilities.
Therefore, if the US is really serious about drawing India into the "Indo-Pacific Strategy", it will have to help India to significantly upgrade its naval technology and military shipbuilding capability. And this will greatly hurt Russia's military export to India, which is one of Russia's biggest and most important arm market. A weakened arms trade relationship between Russia and India will also weaken Russia and India's strategic partnership and cooperation. This will push China and Russia closer. Therefore India might not be that willing to take US assistance and aid. Or, worse for the US, India might even secretly share technology given by the US with Russia in order to strengthen their relations, which the US will not be happy to see happen.

 

[banjex]

There is already an example of the offensive power of this class of ship: Kuznetsov in action off Syria.

Not the best example given its dreadful performance and two jets lost. Although that's due to Russia's poor maintenance practices and general lack of carrier experience (relative to the U.S.) rather than any inherent flaw with carriers.

 

[asif iqbal]

Russian carrier is never seen without a tug

easy to find that thing, its like a moving volcano with all that smoke

Russia has had carriers for 30 years and they never looked good

China on the other hand has shown true carrier ambitions in the last 9 years since CV-16

 

[tidalwave]

There is already an example of the offensive power of this class of ship: Kuznetsov in action off Syria.

What do you mean this class of ship? Shandong is waste of money which cant even go against its chief adversary
Carrier is just a dump truck. What count is the type of air fighter.

Just the thought of Liaoning carying J35 will give US planner to think about. Wont have its carriers directly confronting Liaoning

J35 is lighter therefore safer than J15 or SU33 on carriers.

China should have prioritize J35 over J20 development because its main adversary is obsessed about South China Sea, not much interest in testing mainland air space.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

What do you mean this class of ship? Shandong is waste of money which cant even go against its chief adversary
Carrier is just a dump truck. What count is the type of air fighter.

Just the thought of Liaoning carying J35 will give US planner to think about. Wont have its carriers directly confronting Liaoning

You need to crawl before you can run Liaoning serve as training carrier to teach pilot carrier landing and take off, Qualified pilot for carrier operation, developed carrier based naval doctrine,Using liaoning aas template learning how to built carrier from scratch, serve as technical guinea pig to develop better carrier. training thousand of sailor to support carrier operation.
So I wouldn't call Liaoning useless No need to compare to US. Building a corp of competent sailor and pilot for carrier operation take much longer then building carrier.

Yes Liaoning is technically behind US carrier but it won't stay that way for longer In the next ietration they will build better carrier

China is hundred year behind the US when it come to carrier So now they are only 20 years behind US navy I called that progress
Named me any country beside US and England that has more than 2 carriers? LHD does not count.

In emergency China has other mean to neutralize the US carrier superiority

 

[Tyler]

More Liaoning type CV could have been converted into LHD ships?

 

[tidalwave]

You need to crawl before you can run Liaoning serve as training carrier to teach pilot carrier landing and take off, Qualified pilot for carrier operation, developed carrier based naval doctrine,Using liaoning aas template learning how to built carrier from scratch, serve as technical guinea pig to develop better carrier. training thousand of sailor to support carrier operyt?ation.
So I wouldn't call Liaoning useless No need to compare to US. Building a corp of competent sailor and pilot for carrier operation take much longer then building carrier.

Yes Liaoning is technically behind US carrier but it won't stay that way for longer In the next ietration they will build better carrier

China is hundred year behind the US when it come to carrier So now they are only 20 years behind US navy I called that progress
Named me any country beside US and England that has more than 2 carriers? LHD does not count.

In emergency China has other mean to neutralize the US carrier superiority

What i saying is even Liaoning can go head to head with USN carrier with J35.
It can be a fighting force instead just a trainer

 

[Deino]

More Liaoning type CV could have been converted into LHD ships?

Oh Peter, come on ... do you really think the PLAN would crank out MORE Liaoning carriers only to convert them to LHDs!??
Sorry to say so, but you truly must learn....

 

[abc123]

Frankly speaking USN has no respect for Liaoning and shandong, they dont believe those can match CV Rooseveltt and Reagan.

Now, what if the force multipler FC31 or j35 onboard Liaoning. 20 j35 onboard Liaoning will definitely make USN think 2nd and 3rd times when it match against super horneted based US carrier.

I think that will change the psychological factor.

To me, j35, will be the force multiplier outthere even on a carrier like Liaoning. Unlike j20 which hiding inland , doesnt have that much an impact.

Of course they don't when Chinese carriers have no enough aircrafts to fill them. And even if they do, one Nimitz is definitly as strong as 2-3 Liaonings.
Even with J-35, US have F-35. And 100s of them allready.

 

[asif iqbal]

CV-16 is good for carrier training make no mistake its a fighting warships with 24 x J15 and 16 x Helicopters it can do alot of damage

CV-17 its sister ship can add the same, very powerful so now thats 48 x J15 and 32 x Helicopters

Off course China does not have 48 x J15 and 32 x Helicopters but you get my point

however if we move on to 003 which could carry 36 x J15 and 14 x helicopters thats a very good cover at sea, you do a-lot with 36 aircraft over a ocean, sea intercept , land attack and air to air engagements all spectrum of missions to ensure maritime security

all 3 carriers put to sea at the same time is possible since CV-16 and CV-17 have ski jumps thats 84 x aircraft and a good array of helicopters

not all the carrier helicopters will be detected to hunting submarines since they have 2 x LHD now too