CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

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Le porte-avions Liaoning, photographié le 6 Septembre par un passager sur un vol commercial.
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The Liaoning aircraft carrier, photographed on September 6 by a passenger on a commercial flight.
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Hendrik_2000 said:
let assume each batch is the graduation of 6 carrier qualified pilot(CQP) Then according to Henri K there should be at least 50 to 60 CQP pilots give or take a few. Not enough for 2 squadron considering you need spare pilots

As of August 4, several areas in Bohai Bay are closed due to military maneuvers. The one near Qinhuangdao could be reserved for the Liaoning aircraft carrier for the certification of a new promotion of air carrier pilots, the 10th if the account is good.
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Only 6 pilots in each batch? Isn't that a too small number?
 
asif iqbal

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subotai1 said:
Train the trainers. Once they get to a good sized number of experienced, core pilots, training will accelerate.
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Well it’s been 7 years and with only a handful of aircraft you can’t train that many pilots

You can’t train pilots if you don’t have enough aircraft

China’s shipbuilding seems to outstrip it’s aviation supply
 
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asif iqbal said:
Well it’s been 7 years and with only a handful of aircraft you can’t train that many pilots

You can’t train pilots if you don’t have enough aircraft

China’s shipbuilding seems to outstrip it’s aviation supply
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What makes you so sure that its an aircraft supply issue? In the US, its at least 2 years before you are Aircraft Carrier qualified. And that does not include the time spent going to OCS before that. In addition, of that flight training, only the last year or so is spent with the actual aircraft you're going to qualify on the Carrier with. Now, consider that you are not going to make some person who just qualified on a Carrier in to a trainer. You need to make them experts and give them the experience before they are suited for being a trainer.

I am not remotely surprised that they don't have enough pilots.
 
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subotai1 said:
What makes you so sure that its an aircraft supply issue? In the US, its at least 2 years before you are Aircraft Carrier qualified. And that does not include the time spent going to OCS before that. In addition, of that flight training, only the last year or so is spent with the actual aircraft you're going to qualify on the Carrier with. Now, consider that you are not going to make some person who just qualified on a Carrier in to a trainer. You need to make them experts and give them the experience before they are suited for being a trainer.

I am not remotely surprised that they don't have enough pilots.
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Or maybe they've decided that unmanned aircraft are the way forward?
 
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subotai1 said:
What makes you so sure that its an aircraft supply issue? In the US, its at least 2 years before you are Aircraft Carrier qualified. And that does not include the time spent going to OCS before that. In addition, of that flight training, only the last year or so is spent with the actual aircraft you're going to qualify on the Carrier with. Now, consider that you are not going to make some person who just qualified on a Carrier in to a trainer. You need to make them experts and give them the experience before they are suited for being a trainer.

I am not remotely surprised that they don't have enough pilots.
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Absolutely this. The last thing PLAN want is inexperienced trainers giving substandard training. The carrier programme is a matter of tremendous national pride and prestige, and they are acutely aware the whole world is watching. The last thing they want is a high profile accident due to shoddy training. The value of the carrier fleet as a symbol of rising Chinese influence (and a source of protection for potential allies who feel threatened by the USA) would evaporate overnight. Just look at how Russia tried and failed to display it's power with the Kuznetsov debacle in the Mediterranean. The PLAN absolutely needs experienced and reliable trainers, especially as literally no one in PLAN has previous experience of carrier aviation in actual combat scenarios. They want to be cautious, and rightly so.
 
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