CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Hendrik_2000]

Via LKJ86. I guess CV16 will be out to sea soon

 

[mozixiao]

CV-16

 

[Deino]

A bit bigger ....

 

[asif iqbal]

Finally

I wonder what changes were made

That was a long layoff

Now stretch its legs and get CV-17 alongside for a photo opp

 

[snake65]

I never heard Russia will help China in carrier program It could not be because the Soviet carrier program facilities are in Ukraine with the shipbuilder in Riga and the pilot were trained at Zagy airfield if I am not wrong
Most of the designer are Ukrainian. But by the time Soviet Union implode there is no money left even for training let alone help China. Politically it is also impossible because because the Gorbachev try to cozy up to the US at that time

There is rumor of help from Brazil with their decrepit carrier what help can they provide . So Dai Mingmeng account is accurate China does not have any help from anybody

The best and brightest would better serve as instructor and not as a pilot. Both German and Japan loose the war because they put their best pilot in frontline instead of instructing the next generation of pilots. like the American does.

The main task of China's carrier program is to train as many pilots as possible right now there are only 40- 50 carrier qualify pilot too few

Soviet/Russian Pr.1143 series:
Designer: Nevsky PKB in St.Peterburg (Russia)
Builder: Chernomorsky SSZ in Nikolaev (Ukraine)
Land-based training facility: Airbase Saki (Ukraine till 2014, Russia since)
Arrestor landing system: Proletarsky zavod, St.Peterburg (Russia)

Most of the help would have come directly from Ukraine, including Su-33 prototype.

 

[Tam]

Ukraine help not likely in the government level, but because CSIC has hired off the designers and engineers.

 

[kwaigonegin]

PLAN is still very new to the carrier game. For ex. ALL COs and XOs of flattops in the USN must either be a trained naval aviator or an NFO. Not only that but you have to be top dog and have successfully commanded at least a squadron before not to mention captained many deep keeled vessels. You also have to be nuke certified. It's one of the hardest but most prestigious job in the Navy. Once you have successfully commanded a CVN, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that your next step would be a star i.e admiral.

From a qualification perspective it'll be a couple of decades before PLAN would have COs that have that type of qualifications assuming they follow the stringent requirements of becoming a carrier CO but I don't see them doing any less. A carrier is sovereign territory and you want someone who is the absolute best with all the experiences necessary to command such a strategic piece of asset.

 

[Intrepid]

PLAN is still very new to the carrier game. For ex. ALL COs and XOs of flattops in the USN must either be a trained naval aviator or an NFO. Not only that but you have to be top dog and have successfully commanded at least a squadron before not to mention captained many deep keeled vessels. You also have to be nuke certified. It's one of the hardest but most prestigious job in the Navy. Once you have successfully commanded a CVN, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that your next step would be a star i.e admiral.

From a qualification perspective it'll be a couple of decades before PLAN would have COs that have that type of qualifications assuming they follow the stringent requirements of becoming a carrier CO but I don't see them doing any less. A carrier is sovereign territory and you want someone who is the absolute best with all the experiences necessary to command such a strategic piece of asset.

That's why they are starting to operate now, even though they do not really have a full force yet: to train the staff, which will have years of experience when the time comes.

 

[azretonov]

I’m a bit surprised at reading that they didn’t have any assistance from foreign countries, there was speculation a while ago that Russia was providing some sort of support from its own naval aviators

The articles claim relating absence of Russian support is (highly) possible. Project 11435 have never reached to a certain level of operability. And even at its' peak performance, the CAG mostly consisted of MiG-29K's rather than Su-33 which makes it quite irrelevant with Su-33's, thus J-15's requirements. They might however, have received theoretical support but that's hardly an effective help. At the time when PLAN pilots started their training with the actual carrier, they probaly had more know-how regarding the whole process than their Russian counterparts.

Chinese had the both platforms' designs so they could have figured it out on their own efforts.

 

[gelgoog]

AFAIK the Chinese had no Russian enterprise's help with their carrier program. They got the ship schematics from the shipyard in Ukraine which produced the ship. They got access to the Su-33 prototype in Ukraine. This is quite well known. Same thing happened with their space launcher program which had Ukrainian help with designing the rocket engines.