CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[tidalwave]

China has 2 carriers

But France has fixed wing Hawkeye for AWACS

This extends the eyes and ears of the carrier strike group

In a high threat environment China will need a serious number of escorts like Type 055 until the KJ-600 is ready

In real training combat, AWAC assisted third generation fighters was no match against J20.
So, it's imperative to get stealth fighters onboard, more important than AWACs.

 

[PiSigma]

We've been demanding/challenging/asking to see evidence of PLAN doing night take-offs and landings on Liaoning for some times now. When the evidence finally got released, they appear to be rather routine and nothing out of the ordinary. It's just another milestone in China's journey towards operating a full-blown carrier force.

That's because there is a high chance they have been doing night training for a long time and only now releasing photos and news on it. Very typical of PLA to only release info when they are confident of their ability.

 

[vesicles]

In real training combat, AWAC assisted third generation fighters was no match against J20.
So, it's imperative to get stealth fighters onboard, more important than AWACs.

You are talking about two different things. Having AWACs is like having eyes and ears that allow you to know who’s coming far ahead of time. The J-20’s will be useless if they don’t know when and where their enemies are coming.

 

[Intrepid]

The Chinese Navy will have all this nice things just in time. We are looking to a very early phase of a long lasting project.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I've seen the IN night time ops...here ya' go!

and this..

Playing the devil advocate and demanding the same high standard set for Liaoning. Are we sure this is Indian pilot and not their Russian trainer? Can't see from the cockpit and Also they were trained and guided by the Russian as part of the package.

I might be wrong but I have yet to see the official announcement from Indian Navy that their carrier is operational now
What we see is Mig 27K take off and landing but Russia also has Mig 27K

 

[bd popeye]

Playing the devil advocate and demanding the same high standard set for Liaoning. Are we sure this is Indian pilot and not their Russian trainer? Can't see from the cockpit and Also they were trained and guided by the Russian as part of the package.

As memory serves my 64 year old brain..I do believe this was a Russian pilot. Both landing and launching.

 

[Franklin]

Interesting article that gives some insight to the operation of the Liaoning.

China: The Next Aircraft Carrier Superpower?

Better training plus more carriers means big trouble for the U.S. Navy?

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) claims to be making significant progress in developing its naval aviation capability both in terms of man and materiel.

The PLAN is about to send its first domestically constructed aircraft carrier — the Type 001A Shandong — on its third set of sea trials. Meanwhile, the PLAN seems to be making significant progress in training its flight deck crews and naval aviators to operate their Shenyang J-15 Flanker-X2 fighters in less than ideal conditions.

“We fly in clear skies. We fly in bad weather. We train day and night, and barely have time to take care of our families," PLAN Lt. Commander Pei Yingjie told the China Daily in an article which was also reposted on the People’s Liberation Army’s China Mil site . "This is because we are clearly aware of the differences between us and our potential opponents in terms of experience and capabilities...We have no alternative but to train hard and make full use of every minute."

While the United States Navy has honed the fine art of naval aviation over the course of decades, the PLAN is a newcomer to the world of carrier operations. The PLAN has had essentially develop a model for carrier operations from scratch, which is not an easy task because even mundane features such as lighting can cause massive headaches. "Landing a plane on a carrier in the dark is the hardest and riskiest of all nighttime operations and much more difficult than landing during the daytime," Captain Lu Zhaohui, a senior J-15 pilot, said. "We have overcome a lot of difficulties to enable our pilots to perform night landings. The first was that we didn't know how to arrange the lights on the carrier's deck or how bright they should be."

Additionally, the Chinese have had develop procedures for landing on a moving flight deck at night, a skill that even a challenge even for American naval aviators to master. "We learn to depend on landing-assistance instruments on the aircraft and the carrier, and on instructions from signal officers," Captain Xu Ying, commander of the J-15 unit, said. "Our aviators need to undertake repeated training procedures in night operations to gain more experience."

However, while the PLAN has been refining its carrier flight deck operations, the service is also developing tactics, techniques and procedures for flying their J-15s during combat operations. Chinese naval aviators have been practicing and refining tactics for both fleet air defense missions and strike missions against both land based and maritime targets. "In the past five years, we have reached the East and South China seas, as well as the western Pacific Ocean. We conducted many tactical drills there and verified our capabilities," Captain Sun Baosong, another senior J-15 pilot, said. "In the future, we will go farther and undertake more missions."

Indeed, China seems to be planning a rapid expansion of its carrier fleet. According to China’s Communist Party-owned Global Times , Shandong is expected to undergo a third set of sea trials as early as this week. The government-owned paper suggested as much because the PLAN had blocked off a large chunk of sea for exercises near the Dalian shipyard where the carrier was built. The new Chinese carrier may conduct aircraft launch and recovery operations during this set of sea trials according to the paper.

In any case, the PLAN is expecting to grow its naval aviation capabilities rapidly. “The training of carrier-borne fighter jet pilots must be accelerated to pave the way for the Navy's aircraft carrier plans," Senior Captain Zhang Zhongming, political commissar of China’s naval aviation base, told the China Daily .

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[bd popeye]

But France has fixed wing Hawkeye for AWACS

Hawkeye's are not for AWACS. They are missioned to do AEW ,Airborne Early Warning. There is a difference.

The all-weather E-2 Hawkeye airborne early warning and battle management aircraft has served as the "eyes" of the U.S. Navy fleet for more than 30 years, and the E-2C Hawkeye 2000 possesses the most advanced AEW&BM capabilities in service today. Continuous modifications and upgrades have kept the aircraft's mission systems current with the evolving operational environment. The next generation E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, the key airborne enabler of the US Navy's FORCEnet began test flights in 2007

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Without proper AEW a carrier's aircraft must rely on other methods to perform their duties.

 

[Iron Man]

Hawkeye's are not for AWACS. They are missioned to do AEW ,Airborne Early Warning. There is a difference.



Without proper AEW a carrier's aircraft must rely on other methods to perform their duties.

Actually AWACS and AEW&C are the same things. "AWACS" is a brand name specific to the E-3 Sentry, meanwhile AEW&C is a general term for what planes like the E-3 do. Just like how "APAR" is a brand name used by Thales to denote its AESA radar used on various European warships, or how "LCAC" is Textron's brand name for its ACV product, or how "Aegis" is Lockheed Martin's combat management system. Meanwhile everyone uses "AWACS", "APAR", "LCAC" and "Aegis" in generalized, colloquial forms because these specific names refer to original class-defining products.

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL just to nitpick:

... "AWACS" is a brand name specific to the E-3 Sentry, meanwhile AEW&C is a general term for what planes like the E-3 do. ...

your "the E-3 Sentry" doesn't have to be involved:
Boeing 767 AWACS Airborne Warning and Control Aircraft

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Boeing awarded further Japanese E-767 AWACS upgrade contract
04 April 2018

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