CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

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delft

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When I first saw the J-15 I notice also how large it is. The USN had an aircraft almost the same size. Usually there were only 4-5 "Viggies" assigned to an air wing.

R/A-5C Vigilante..General characteristics
  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 76 ft 6 in (23.32 m)
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    53 ft 0 in (16.16 m)
  • Height: 19 ft 43⁄4 in (5.91 m)
  • Wing area: 700 sq ft (65.1 m2)
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    32,714 lb (14,870 kg)
  • Loaded weight: 47,530 lb (21,605 kg)
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    62,953 lb (28,615 kg)
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    2 ×
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    • Dry thrust: 10,900 lbf(48 kN) each
    • Thrust with
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      17,000 lbf (76 kN) each
J-15 Flying Shark..General characteristics
  • Crew: 1-2
  • Length: 21.9 m (72 ft)
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    14.7 m (48.25 ft)
  • Height: 5.9 m (19.5 ft)
  • Wing area: 62.04 m2 (667.80 sq ft)
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    17500 kg (38600 lb)
  • Loaded weight: 27000 kg (60000 lb)
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    33000 kg (72752 lb)
  • Wingspan, wings folded: 7.4 m (24.25 ft)
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    2 × WS-10H
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Vigilante had a single vertical tail plane but I read somewhere that two had been considered and that might have inspired Mikoyan to use two on the MiG-25 which established a new fashion. North American Aviation did use two on the XB-70 bomber but that aircraft was of course too big to be one of the comparable aircraft to help inspire the big MiG.
 

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Vigilante had a single vertical tail plane but I read somewhere that two had been considered and that might have inspired Mikoyan to use two on the MiG-25 which established a new fashion. North American Aviation did use two on the XB-70 bomber but that aircraft was of course too big to be one of the comparable aircraft to help inspire the big MiG.
Remember, the US was operating that large supsersonic attack (and then surveillance) aircraft off of carriers from 1961 to the end og 1979. A long time ago.

Amazing.

But the US also had even larger aircraft.

Look up the A-3 Skywarrier, operated from 1956 through through 1991. First as a heavy attack(including nuclear weapons) aircraft, then later as recon, electronic warfae, and then as a tanker too):

@bd popeye will verify what I say, I am sure he saw them during his service.

  • Crew: 3
  • Length: 76 ft 4 in (23.27 m)
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    72 ft 6 in (22.10 m)
  • Height: 22 ft 9½ in (6.95 m)
  • Wing area: 812 ft² (75.4 m²)
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    39,409 lb (17,876 kg)
  • Loaded weight: 70,000 lb (31,750 kg)
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    82,000 lb (37,195 kg)
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    2 ×
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    -P-10
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    , 10,500 lbf (46.7 kN) dry (12,400 lbf (55.3 kN with water injection))
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    530 knots (610 mph, 982 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)
They were not supersonic, but they were larger than the SU-33 (J-15) the A-5 or any other attack aircraft. I believe they were the larges jet combat aircraft the US ever operated off its carriers.

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A U.S. Navy Douglas EA-3B Skywarrior (BuNo 146452) from Fleet Reconnaissance Squadron VQ-1 Det.64 World Watchers in flight over the South China Sea. VQ-1 Det.64 was assigned to Attack Carrier Air Wing 9 (CVW-9) aboard the aircraft carrrier USS Constellation (CVA-64) for a deployment to the Western Pacific and the Indian Ocean from 21 June to 23 December 1974.
 

delft

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Remember, the US was operating that large supsersonic attack (and then surveillance) aircraft off of carriers from 1961 to the end og 1979. A long time ago.

Amazing.

But the US also had even larger aircraft.

Look up the A-3 Skywarrier, operated from 1956 through through 1991. First as a heavy attack(including nuclear weapons) aircraft, then later as recon, electronic warfae, and then as a tanker too):

@bd popeye will verify what I say, I am sure he saw them during his service.

  • Crew: 3
  • Length: 76 ft 4 in (23.27 m)
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    72 ft 6 in (22.10 m)
  • Height: 22 ft 9½ in (6.95 m)
  • Wing area: 812 ft² (75.4 m²)
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    39,409 lb (17,876 kg)
  • Loaded weight: 70,000 lb (31,750 kg)
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    82,000 lb (37,195 kg)
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    530 knots (610 mph, 982 km/h) at 10,000 ft (3,050 m)
They were not supersonic, but they were larger than the SU-33 (J-15) the A-5 or any other attack aircraft. I believe they were the larges jet combat aircraft the US ever operated off its carriers.

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A U.S. Navy Douglas EA-3B Skywarrior (BuNo 146452) from Fleet Reconnaissance Squadron VQ-1 Det.64 World Watchers in flight over the South China Sea. VQ-1 Det.64 was assigned to Attack Carrier Air Wing 9 (CVW-9) aboard the aircraft carrrier USS Constellation (CVA-64) for a deployment to the Western Pacific and the Indian Ocean from 21 June to 23 December 1974.
And there was a USAF bomber, B-66, derived from A-3. The introduction of the Wiki page:
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carrier-based heavy attack aircraft. The B-66 was intended to replace the
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version was ordered simultaneously. The USAF B-66 retained the three-man crew from the US Navy A-3, but incorporated ejection seats that the US Navy variant lacked.
Always interesting to see an air force type adapted to navy use or, more often, the other way round.
 

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And there was a USAF bomber, B-66, derived from A-3. The introduction of the Wiki page:
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Yes. You are exactly right.

And they ended up building almost 300 of them.

But they were retired d in 1974, while the Naval version was turned into recon and refueling aircraft and served on until 1991.

Altogether about 280 of the Naval A-3 aircraft in its various varieties were built.
 

MwRYum

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I think this is the first time CV-16 opens to civilians (and rumors had it that J-20 is going too.).

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I wish I was there and could do so. Perhaps one day it will visit San diego, or san Francisco and offer similar tours and I will make the trip over to see her.
Ticket is extremely hard to get, first of all it was finally announced on Sunday night, that the 2000 tickets were to be released on Monday, so you can imagine if you're a salaryman like myself, you're basically out of luck; if you think about having someone else to get it for you, or buy it off someone, you can forget about it as well, because tickets are tied to the HKID number on the spot.

Next, this weekend's bases' open house event, the Stonecutter Island naval base will host not just the usual, but also the DDGs and FFG of the Liaoning CBG - yeah, the carrier visit is separate event.

BTW, the official announcement made it clear that no photography equipment is allowed on-board the carrier, so don't expect any pics other than those from the news services' .

Lastly, by my silence up to now you can tell that I've no luck on either, that mean this weekend, one sad kekistani will pray to Kek to seek solace...
 
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