This guy SubBrief knows nothing about PLAN. He consistently spread misinformation on his videos without proof. Just watch his video on the Kutz. Why would you care what he says?
CV-16, CV-17 STOBAR carrier thread (001/Liaoning, 002/Shandong)
- Thread starter Blitzo
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This SubBrief guy who posted the "rumor" about Liaoning is also the same guy who pinned this tweet onto his Twitter account:
And talking like he's a long-lost, wilder twin of Joe Biden:
He's also the same guy who bullsh1tted about the capabilities of China's 052Ds and 055s in his Youtube stream last year, and claimed those who attempted to correct him as "Chinese SeeSeePee wumao agents".
So what do you think?
I also remember he deleted the criticisms in the comment section of his 055 video and said he was "censoring misinformation".
Well yeah, it would indeed be much better than having orgasms if China/PLAN could release current photograph of Liaoning right away just to award a huge slam onto his face.
But let's get this straight.
Of course, whether Liaoning actually got a "major flight deck incident" or not - We may have to wait for a couple more days or even weeks before more details would come to light. That is, with regards as to whether the "incident" is indeed factual, or SubBrief is just blowing air to expand his viewership balloon.
If the "incident" did actually happen, I believe the way PLAN is expected to handle the aftermath may resemble early March last year, whereby if I remembered correctly, a Y-8-based patrol aircraft crashed somewhere in the South China Sea, and it wasn't a couple of weeks after the accident when news were officially released to the public once the funeral procession for the deceased crew have been completed. Even then, the news reporting were kept low-key.
Therefore, even if something big did happen to Liaoning during her exercise in the Westpac last month - Depending on the scale and effect of the "incident" - As long as Liaoning can get back to port in one piece and with majority of her structure and crew intact, then it would have already been a very huge blessing.
Furthermore, even if Liaoning did in fact suffered from a "major flight deck incident" - SO WHAT?
Has the US Navy suffered zero incidents and accidents, especially those which resulted in casualties and/or fatalities throughout her 100 years of carrier-based aviation?
In fact, flight deck incidents and accidents, albeit as tragic as it sounds, is more-or-less part-and-parcel of a continuously evolving process of learning and mastering the knowledge and skills required for operating aircraft carrier and carrier-based aviation. This is the same for any country around the world that operate aircraft carriers, and China is no exception.
This is especially considering that December 2022 is just barely 10 years since China first began operating aircraft carriers and carrier-based aircrafts. Out of the countries in Asia that operate aircraft carriers, China is the least experienced among all.
A disclaimer before I end this post - I never claim that something big actually happened on Liaoning during her exercise. But if it really did, I wouldn't be shocked. As long as defects have been remedied, mistakes have been rectified, and valuable lessons have been learnt and implemented into future operations - Then I would always be confident, proud and trustful of the PLAN.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Not saying anything about the credibility of this ‘report’, but accidents and incidents are unfortunately inevitable in carrier flight ops. You can do everything possible to reduce the risks, but you can never fully eliminate them. Eventually, after enough cycles of take offs and landings, a major incident becomes a mathematical certainty.
SubBrief is good at his domain knowledge which is submarine sonar. Given his previous occupation. The further away you get from that the worse he is. He seems to know quite a lot about submarines, but his knowledge of the surface navy is dismal, and don't even get me into the other branches. His know-how of the Chinese Navy also seems to be pretty much zero. Yet this does not stop him from making stupid comments on it.
The first link is an okay read and worth being posted.
Sub brief is on the tier of louischeunghk, so not sure why he deserves to be posted on SDF.
Sometimes, actively ignoring people whose statements are not worth our time, is the best way to go.
Imagine if we had to try to look into random claim made.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that Liaoning will experience an accident or mishap one day, and it's even possible they might have suffered one on this cruise. But that doesn't mean sub brief is worth listening to. If something like that had happened, you'd want to hear it from other sources instead.
Lethe
Captain
This is a solid article. USNI has better standards for China commentary pieces than most western publications. That said, this bit did make me laugh:
"The carrier operations are less impressive because the planes are too good."
