CV-16, CV-17 STOBAR carrier thread (001/Liaoning, 002/Shandong)

[Blitzo]

OK only 15 J15 flights per day, not so great. That's a lot of helo movements though.

I bet if we actually did a stock take of how many J-15s and helicopters are aboard Liaoning, the ratio would trend slightly in favour of the helicopters.

That's not because they're carrying more helicopters than normal, but because they're carrying less J-15s than its full normal complement of 24.


As I said, these excursions outside of the first island chain are probably not that useful if you're wanting to check what their maximum sortie rate are. These long distance exercises are more useful for practicing long distance CSG stuff that can't be as easily done close to home.

 

[para80]

Given one of the main concerns for PLAN will be protecting their carriers vs enemy SSN, more helo movements in deep water frankly make a lot of sense to me. J-15 ops out there will likely be more limited and aim at giving pilots practice in stuff like running CAP. The helos will be airborne less but sortie more. A guess.

 

[Intrepid]

I bet if we actually did a stock take of how many J-15s and helicopters are aboard Liaoning, the ratio would trend slightly in favour of the helicopters.

The helicopters perform 24/7 routine tasks, the planes are used only on an ad hoc basis.

 

[pipaster]

The helicopters perform 24/7 routine tasks, the planes are used only on an ad hoc basis.

Most likely based on FG requirements vice being ad-hoc. The helicopter movements would be a combination of operational ASW and FG too.

 

[Blitzo]

The helicopters perform 24/7 routine tasks, the planes are used only on an ad hoc basis.

Yes, but my point is also that Liaoning on this exercise (as well as all other exercises where CV-16 or CV-17 have left the first island chain) is not carrying anywhere near a full airwing of fixed wing aircraft anyway, whereas it is likely carrying close to its full normal complement of helicopters.

 

[gelgoog]

For comparison in Syria the Russians only made like 7-8 combat sorties a day from the Admiral Kuznetsov.

 

[para80]

New JSDF report on Liaoning ops 21/22 Dec. Notably number of sorties now tilts the other way, with more than twice as many J-15 ops vs helicopter flights. I guess I have to qualify my previous remark. Things probably come down a lot more also on what exactly they schedule to do when (aside from eg weather related issues and other questions).

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[sas0112]

New JSDF report on Liaoning ops 21/22 Dec. Notably number of sorties now tilts the other way, with more than twice as many J-15 ops vs helicopter flights. I guess I have to qualify my previous remark. Things probably come down a lot more also on what exactly they schedule to do when (aside from eg weather related issues and other questions).

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I think it is actually 40 fighters right? Looking at the number 40 and 20 in the second line in the original Japanese text.

 

[asif iqbal]

For comparison in Syria the Russians only made like 7-8 combat sorties a day from the Admiral Kuznetsov.

dont think that is any comparison, Russian Carrier program is a joke and I think Ukraine would be able to sink it if its used

China on the other hand is using full spectrum Carrier capabilities and its a very long term robust Carrier program developing in small but steady increments achieving perfection

the accident rates of the Chinese Carrier fighter jets is extremely low when compared to other nations who lost much more

I think China has done more research, prep and practice than ever before

 

[para80]

Yeah you're right, Google Translate jumbled fixed wing flights and total arrivals and departures (not sure why there's a discrepancy of about ten flights, but anyway).