CV-16, CV-17 STOBAR carrier thread (001/Liaoning, 002/Shandong)

ansy1968

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24 J15 that is the whole aircraft component of CV-17.
 

tphuang

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24 J15 that is the whole aircraft component of CV-17.

That is actually CV-16. I think 24 J-15s is the regular maximum number of J-15s they'd want on deck. They might have a couple of more J-15s in the hangar as repairs and spares. You need more than 24 J-15s to have 24 in operation at all times.

CV-17 has smaller island than CV-16, so that should allow at least 2 more J-15s on deck. I don't know if there are any additional refinement made on deck. I would guess 28 J-15s is that max. Now, they may chose to operate fewer than that if they want more Z-18s on board.
 

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That is actually CV-16. I think 24 J-15s is the regular maximum number of J-15s they'd want on deck. They might have a couple of more J-15s in the hangar as repairs and spares. You need more than 24 J-15s to have 24 in operation at all times.

CV-17 has smaller island than CV-16, so that should allow at least 2 more J-15s on deck. I don't know if there are any additional refinement made on deck. I would guess 28 J-15s is that max. Now, they may chose to operate fewer than that if they want more Z-18s on board.

I think there's no reason for us to expect that they want to have 24 J-15s ready at all times, a maximum practical complement of 24 J-15s is pretty reasonable when balancing flight deck spotting and aircraft movement needs.

After all, what you really want is to maximize sortie rate, and having more airframes on a carrier doesn't necessarily mean your sortie rate will continue to increase, because you're also limited by the need to have enough space to move your airframes around!


Even in the case of CV-17, what little additional space gained by the smaller island, IMO probably doesn't change the number of J-15s they can embark by much. I wouldn't be surprised if the same "sweet spot" of J-15 count on CV-17 is the same as CV-16 in terms of the peak efficient airframe count.
 

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I think there's no reason for us to expect that they want to have 24 J-15s ready at all times, a maximum practical complement of 24 J-15s is pretty reasonable when balancing flight deck spotting and aircraft movement needs.

After all, what you really want is to maximize sortie rate, and having more airframes on a carrier doesn't necessarily mean your sortie rate will continue to increase, because you're also limited by the need to have enough space to move your airframes around!


Even in the case of CV-17, what little additional space gained by the smaller island, IMO probably doesn't change the number of J-15s they can embark by much. I wouldn't be surprised if the same "sweet spot" of J-15 count on CV-17 is the same as CV-16 in terms of the peak efficient airframe count.
Well, my point is that not all of the J-15s will be available at all times. If you are capable of sustaining 24 J-15s on board, then it makes sense to have a couple of other ones in the hangar that are currently under repairs. You are in fact maximizing sortie rate if you are maximizing the # of J-15s on deck.
 
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