Crisis in the Ukraine

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There has been heavy fighting in several places today, with the main action being an attempt at a pincer movement to the East and South of Donetsk, in an apparent attempt to cut off the city from the rest of the rebel held territory.
Ukraine and claiming to have made progress and the militia claim to have stopped them and sent them packing with heavy casualties. Just have to wait and see for more info to come available tomorrow.

Also today, a counter offensive from the Lughansk militia in the Lysychansk area (the top of the northern front spike)
The following video backs up their claims of success and also backs up their claims of gaining most of their armour as spoils of war. The tank and at least one BMP look salvageable.

[video=youtube_share;3NHGjPsn39M]http://youtu.be/3NHGjPsn39M[/video]

Plus a video of a sniper at work during the fight to take back the town

[video=youtube_share;GMLYrKpVz48]http://youtu.be/GMLYrKpVz48[/video]
 
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Ukrainian armed forces have successfully liberated more areas from Russians. Strelkov is stuck in Donetsk.... let's see if he plans fight to the death or does he try to run away back to Moscow.
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Me think this site is a better representation of situation on the ground. Less dramatic and less sensational.

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Also Thank you Sampan for the regular updates.
 

texx1

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An interesting story from a Russian Bloomberg journalist taken hostage by Ukrainian army because he sent a text message to his father. First hand account of his experience as a captive.

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My Captivity in Ukraine Shows Amateurs Succumb to Hatred

In eastern Ukraine, one text message can turn you into an enemy. In my case, it was sent to my father. “Talked to Borodai at night,” it said about an interview I had with a rebel leader.

“So, you are Borodai’s little friend,” concluded the camouflaged man reading my Nokia. His comrade pointed a Kalashnikov at my stomach. “We’ve got a Russian warrior here saying he is a journalist,” he called to someone in Russian.

It was July 25, 3 p.m. I was heading home to Russia from Donetsk when a routine inspection at a Ukrainian army checkpoint near Starobesheve village went bad. They saw my Russian passport and press card, and told me to get out and hand over my belongings. I tried to hide my BlackBerry. Then they found videos of separatists’ press conferences on my iPad. My guilt, whatever it was, was proven.

I managed to whisper a Moscow contact to my driver before being blindfolded and walked five steps to a waiting Hyundai SUV I’d seen approaching with masked men inside.

“You’d better shut up and think about keeping your pants dry,” one of the masked men -- I counted three voices -- said as we were driving to an unknown location something like 40 minutes away, off a bumpy rural road.

It reminded me, a 31-year-old Muscovite, of the many experiences I had with Russian police as a teenager. I was waiting for good cop-bad cop questioning, moderate use of force and a meticulous scan of my memories from rebel-controlled Donetsk.

I thought I’d still make my flight at 9:15 p.m. As I got to learn my captors better, I began to think I might be held for days, if only because chaos on the ground would keep me from being found.

Oligarch’s Officers

The three captors -- Pavel, Ruslan and Dmitry, as I learned later -- were military intelligence officers from the Dnepr battalion, sponsored by Dnipropetrovsk governor and billionaire Igor Kolomoisky. In this war, oligarchs train, equip and fund detachments, which are then under the control of the Ukranian army.

Dubbed “Kolomoisky castigators” and “fascists” by Russian media, my captors turned out to be the same kind of people I met when talking to separatists: bored Russian-speakers, the blood and muscle of a conflict where random hatred reigns on both sides.

“So, what do the rebels say?” was the first question after I was taken out of the car.

“What do you mean?” I asked.

“Well, what do they say, in general?” a gunman elaborated.

Punched Twice

I was still blindfolded, sitting on the grass in a place that sounded like a military camp. Soldiers were gathering around, joking and cursing at me. “You, Russians, are all pigs,” one said. “I’d love to shoot you down.”

This made me recall a salty Russian joke about World War II. I chuckled. He punched me twice in the head. It didn’t hurt much. I thought that was a good sign.

The questioning didn’t go as I expected. My captors were not asking about rebel positions, separatist leadership security or anything that military intelligence ought to be interested in.

They desperately expressed their own views, shutting me up when I argued. They asked me questions I couldn’t answer. How many Russians support the rebels? Why do they kill children? Why did the people on the Malaysian Airlines flight have to die? What does Vladimir Putin want? Do we really look like fascists?

It lasted for an hour or more. I was happy when they settled me back in the car. The driver explained that we were heading out to destroy a separatist truck-mounted Grad rocket launcher in a village nearby.

Grain Harvester

“You will now see how the Ukrainian army fights,” he said, and hit the throttle. The car bumped into a barrier, losing a fender guard, as I heard from their talks.

They stopped at another roadblock to get more weapons. We moved further in silence on a bumpy road. I started to fall asleep, wondering what message I would send to Polina and my son if I managed to get the phone back. A cursing voice woke me up.

The “Grad” turned out to be a grain harvester. The gunmen appeared to be relieved. They took my blindfold off and I saw a field of rye.

“Look how beautiful it is,” said Ruslan, a tall red-haired man in his 30s sitting next to me. He turned out to have a habit of pointing out picturesque landscapes. The three of them wore new combat vests and tactical sunglasses.

Small-Business Men

“You should be happy we got you and not the guys from the 39th unit,” Dmitry, the driver and the commander of the group, told me. “They are always drunk, so they would probably beat you to death first and then think.”

Dmitry, Ruslan and Pavel were small-business men before the conflict, they told me. Their companies had monthly sales of around 300,000 Hryvnia ($25,000) each. They used to travel together to Oktoberfest in Germany and organized weekend parties in country vacation houses. Dmitry turned out to be an expert in wind generators and dissuaded me from buying one for my dacha.

The three of them hated everything other than nature. They hated the Euromaidan protests for igniting the unrest, hated Americans and Europeans for supporting it, hated ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich and, of course, hated Putin, journalists and Russians.

“Russians and Ukrainians are not brothers anymore ’til Putin dies,” Pavel, who looked older than his friends, said, as he played a disc of Russian rock pioneer Viktor Tsoi in the Hyundai.

They asked me if I had Ukrainian roots. I had to disappoint them.

Rye Fields

We were heading to Mariupol, a city to the south of Donetsk, where authorities moved when the rebels occupied the capital. Pavel was advising me how to behave during questioning by their “much tougher” colleagues at the base, Dmitry was having a phone conversation about rebels’ salaries and Ruslan was staring at another field.

“Did you know there are giant rye fields between Ukraine and Russia, fields that go across the border, where nothing indicates what country they belong to?” he asked pensively.

“I know a village where a house is on our side and its toilet is on the Russian side,” Pavel said.

It was growing dark when they blindfolded me again.

The base was at the airport, as I understood from their talks. “Password? Four. Password? Six,” they said at the entrance, stopped the car and left me alone. Other men took me out of the car and ordered me to put my hands on the wall.

‘Truth Room’

The pointless questioning repeated. “Do you know who Putin is?” a voice asked. “The president of Russia,” I said. “Incorrect. He is khuilo. Let me teach you a song,” he said about a soccer chant popular in Ukraine in which Putin is called that term, which translates to an unprintable reference to male anatomy.

“Bloomberg News? Are you sure? Maybe Life News,” another voice asked, referring to a Russian media outlet controlled by Putin allies. They told me they don’t care that I work for an international media and not for a Russian one.

“We got a truth room for s--- like you,” somebody said. Then they all left, leaving a guard who kicked me in the leg when I made attempts to kill mosquitos.

I had no way of knowing at the time, but my driver had managed to get through the message to my father to call Bloomberg’s Moscow bureau, setting off frantic activity from there to New York.

My colleagues in Kiev reached out to every contact they had, calling the army, the defense ministry, the security services, the president’s office. They scurried to find copies of my passports and assemble a portfolio of my recent work to prove who I was. Eventually, they found the right person.

Right Connection


In an hour, a new man approached. They called him colonel. He had a soft voice and a small palm. “I am an ethnic Russian,” was the introduction. “Looks like you were telling the truth and I have only one question left before you go. What do you think about all of this happening here?”

I answered with a bad Russian word. He agreed.

My three captors returned and drove me out from the base. “He said we should ask you to excuse us,” Ruslan said, taking my blindfold off.

“Here, take these. It’s Ukrainian-made s--- anyway,” Pavel said as he gave me his sunglasses. Ruslan showed pictures of corpses that he said belonged to Chechen mercenaries he’d killed in Ukraine. Dmitry said I can always join their raids when I come back.

Hanging Out

My captors took me to Novoazovsk, a border checkpoint I was planning to pass seven hours earlier. Ruslan took a call from his father.

“All fine, Dad.”

“No, doing nothing. Just met some friends and we plan to hang out a bit.”

They ordered the border guards to let me go through. They left their e-mail addresses, should I wish to keep in touch.

At the Russian side, the Federal Security Service questioned me for an hour. I told my story in brief and a young officer asked if they could inspect my belongings. He was surprised when I refused.

I left the checkpoint and saw a field of rye. It was too dark to see if it stretched across the border.

To contact the reporter on this story: Stepan Kravchenko in Ivanovskoe, Russia at [email protected]

To contact the editors responsible for this story: John Brecher at [email protected] Bernard Kohn
 

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An interesting story from a Russian Bloomberg journalist taken hostage by Ukrainian army because he sent a text message to his father. First hand account of his experience as a captive.

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If you read his article he was held because his Blackberry revealed he had contact with the separatist leader boradai, and had interviews with separatists on his electronic device, while his treatment was rough, and he was threatened, he himself was confident that he would be on his way that evening, thankfully he was right.....sounds like things did turn out all right, but when you are fooling around in civil war, things have a way of going south????
 

texx1

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If you read his article he was held because his Blackberry revealed he had contact with the separatist leader boradai, and had interviews with separatists on his electronic device, while his treatment was rough, and he was threatened, he himself was confident that he would be on his way that evening, thankfully he was right.....sounds like things did turn out all right, but when you are fooling around in civil war, things have a way of going south????

He interviewed a separatist leader because that's part of his job as a reporter. But holding an accredited international journalist captive because of him interviewing someone from the other side is just wrong. He's fortunate that he was not captured by "the 39th unit" and it's relief to see him got out relatively safe and sound.
 
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He interviewed a separatist leader because that's part of his job as a reporter. But holding an accredited international journalist captive because of him interviewing someone from the other side is just wrong. He's fortunate that he was not captured by "the 39th unit" and it's relief to see him got out relatively safe and sound.

I don't disagree, but there have been similar reports of separatists threatening and intimidating citizens who don't go along with them??? so I would have to say that this is a bad deal all the way around???? wouldn't you agree???
 

texx1

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I don't disagree, but there have been similar reports of separatists threatening and intimidating citizens who don't go along with them??? so I would have to say that this is a bad deal all the way around???? wouldn't you agree???

Yeah, threatening and intimidations on both sides are bad. Still if one got any beef with any reporters, the most sensible thing is to just tell them to get lost instead of holding them captive.
 
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Today, again, the investigators are kept in Donetsk and cannot reach the crash site. Kiev is well able to prevent the investigation. In view of the facts that the only "evidence" yet provided for the guilt of the federalists are social network messages which are too easy to forge to count as evidence there can be little doubt that Kiev is the guilty party.
 

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Dozens killed in fierce fighting in eastern Ukraine
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By Aleksandar Vasovic
DONETSK Ukraine (Reuters) - Intense fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine killed dozens of civilians, soldiers and rebels, as Kiev pressed on with an offensive on Tuesday including near the wreckage of Malaysian flight MH17.
Shells hit the centre of Donetsk, a city with a pre-war population of nearly a million people where residents fear they will be trapped on a battlefield between advancing Ukrainian troops and Russian-backed rebels who have vowed to make a stand.
In Brussels, European officials met to discuss imposing the first broad-based sanctions aimed at sectors of the Russian economy, a step that would start a new phase in the biggest confrontation between Russia and the West since the Cold War.
Ukrainian forces have been pushing rebel units back towards their two main urban strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk and have sought to encircle them in several places.
The government says its forces have retaken several villages in the rolling countryside near where the airliner crashed on July 17, killing all 298 passengers, most of them Dutch.
In Donetsk, the body of a dead man lay in rubble behind a badly damaged 10-storey residential building close to the city centre, hit by shelling. The side of the building was splintered. Rebels at the scene placed body parts on a nylon sheet and carried it on a stretcher to a green van.
"There, that's their 'separatists'. That's their 'rebel commander'," said a distressed woman in her 60s, gesturing towards the body. "They are killing neighbours. They are killing people, ordinary people."
Another middle aged woman, who gave her name as Katarina, charged out of the building next door carrying two bags.
"No more! I cannot live in this death row any more!" she said. "I am leaving! I don't know where!"
CLAIM, COUNTER-CLAIM
Municipal officials said up to 17 people, including children, were killed in fighting on Monday evening in the town of Horlivka, a rebel stronghold north of Donetsk that saw fierce battles between the rival forces in the last few days.
In the city of Luhansk, officials said five civilians were killed when shelling hit a retirement home.
"The enemy is throwing everything it has into the battle to complete encirclement of the DNR," Igor Strelkov, a Muscovite rebel commander, told journalists in Donetsk on Monday evening, referring to the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic".
A rebel source in Donetsk said reinforcements including military equipment and fighters had arrived across the nearby border from Russia into Ukraine. Reuters was not able to confirm that independently.
Rebel leaders insist publicly that Moscow is not supplying them. Russia also denies Western accusations that it is supporting the rebellion with arms and troops.
A spokesman for Ukraine's Security Council, Andriy Lysenko, blamed Russia for shelling a Ukrainian border crossing point and military positions from across the border to help the rebels.
Western countries say Moscow has stepped up its support for the rebels since the downing of the airliner, which Washington says was almost certainly shot down accidentally by rebels using an advanced Russian-made surface-to-air missile.
BANKING, TECHNOLOGY, ARMS
Leaders of the United States and major European powers agreed in a teleconference on Monday to impose sanctions on Russia's banking, technology and arms sectors over its backing for the separatists.The United States and European Union have imposed sanctions for months against individuals they accuse of playing a role in Russia's threats against Ukraine, but until now had shied away from broader measures designed to hit Russia's overall economy.
European officials were meeting in Brussels to debate the measures on Tuesday, seeking steps that would hurt Russia without causing too much damage to their own economies.
Meanwhile on the ground, fighting has only intensified since the air crash, with Ukrainian government forces trying to press on with an offensive that saw them push rebels out of their bastion of Slaviansk at the start of the month.
Rebels who retreated from Slaviansk to Donetsk say they will make a stand inside the city. Fighting has also intensified in towns and villages near the border, where the government says it aims to assert control to block rebel reinforcements and arms shipments from Russia.
Lysenko said 10 Ukrainian soldiers were killed over the last 24 hours. Strelkov said his side had lost 30 fighters killed and wounded.
Plans to open a humanitarian corridor in Luhansk to allow residents to flee the fighting failed. The United Nations says more than 100,000 people have already fled Ukraine's tumultuous east.
Violence in the region also frustrated international experts' efforts to access the plane crash site for a third day. A Dutch police mission said it abandoned plans to travel there on Tuesday because of fighting along the route.
Fighting has impeded recovery of some of the remains from flight MH17 and made it impossible to reach the site to investigate the cause of the crash. Kiev and the rebels accuse each other of fighting in the area to keep inspectors away.
(Additional reporting by Natalia Zinets and Gabriela Baczynska in Kiev and Anthony Deutsch in Amsterdam; Writing by Gabriela Baczynska and Peter Graff)
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July 29, 2014
EU Imposes Tougher Sanctions on Russia
by VOA News
European Union countries reached agreement on Tuesday to impose new economic sanctions against Russia, targeting its oil industry, defense, dual-use goods and sensitive technologies, according to diplomats.
The decision was reached by EU ambassadors at a meeting in Brussels.
The new sanctions, imposed on Russia over its role in the conflict in Ukraine, will be subject to review after three months, according to one diplomat.
In a conference call with President Barack Obama on Monday, the leaders of Britain, Germany, Italy and France expressed their willingness to adopt new sanctions against Russia in coordination with the United States.

Diplomats said that participants of the talks on Tuesday have also approved a new list of people and companies close to Russian President Vladimir Putin to be sanctioned under previous punitive measures.

The list, expected to be made public Wednesday, will add to the 87 people and entities, already penalized with asset freezes and other measures over Russia’s role in the conflict in Ukraine.

The EU had been reluctant to impose sectoral sanctions on Russia fearing the move might adversely impact the economies of its member states, but the recent downing of a civilian airliner over Ukraine, resulting in the deaths of 298 people, seems to have strengthened the bloc’s resolve.

The EU depends on Russia for much of its natural gas and oil.
Ukraine fighting

Intense fighting between advancing Ukrainian troops and pro-Russia separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine killed dozens of civilians, soldiers and rebels, as Kyiv pressed on with an offensive Tuesday, including near the crash site of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.

Shells hit the center of Donetsk, a city with a pre-war population of nearly a million, and one of the two remaining main urban rebel strongholds. One person was reported killed.

Earlier, municipal officials said up to 17 people, including children, were killed in fighting in the town of Horlivka, north of Donetsk. In Luhansk, the other urban rebel stronghold, officials said five civilians were killed when shells hit a retirement home.

Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine National Security and Defense Council said 10 Ukrainian soldiers were killed over the last 24 hours. Separatist commander and Russian citizen Igor Strelkov said that 30 of his fighters have been killed or wounded.

MH17 crash site access blocked

Violence in the region has also hampered international experts' efforts to access the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 for a third day. A Dutch police mission said it abandoned plans to travel there Tuesday due to fighting along the route.

Meanwhile, Ukraine and the Netherlands have reached a draft agreement on an international mission to protect the investigation of the downing of MH17 and facilitate the recovery of remains at the crash site.

The mission, according to the text of the agreement published on website of Ukraine's parliament, will consist of up to 700 personnel authorized to carry weapons for their self-defense.

Mission members will hold a status “equivalent to that accorded to the administrative and technical staff of a diplomatic mission,” the draft agreement says.
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on the other side
Duma mulls new bill to define and punish ‘aggressor nations’
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Ruling party lawmakers propose altering Russian legislation to allow for automatic sanctions against foreign countries that the government includes on a special list of ‘aggressor nations’.

The bill, prepared by United Russia MPs Evgeny Fyodorov and Anton Romanov, together with the ‘Parliamentary Sovereignty’ group uniting representatives of all State Duma parties, seeks to amend several existing laws, such as the Law on State Contracts and the Law on Audit.

Lawmakers want to give the Russian government the powers to form and approve a list of ‘aggressor nations’ – countries where authorities introduce sanctions against Russia, its citizens or companies.

Once some country is included in this list, all its citizens, permanent residents and companies registered on its territory automatically lose the right to deliver legal services, business consultancy and financial audits on Russian territory. The Russian government also will be able to lift some of the sanctions or introduce additional restrictions on business activities on such people and companies if such necessity arises.

Fyodorov has told the mass circulation daily Izvestia that the list would definitely include all six major US auditing and consulting companies that work in Russia – Deloitte, KPMG, Ernst and Young, Price Waterhouse Coopers, Boston Consulting and McKinsey. He added that, in his view, some restrictions on these companies could be introduced straight away, as the State Duma will only consider the bill in autumn and some government contracts need to be signed before that.

The MP is known for similar suggestions made earlier this year. In June, he claimed that the lower house was preparing a bill that would completely ban state-owned companies from using the services of US consulting firms and their subsidiaries. Prior to that he suggested outlawing the use of US accountancy firms to financially audit state corporations.

The MP has claimed that foreign consultants were secretly and lobbying the interests of their own states and this caused the Russian economy’s slow growth. He also noted that the consulting firms were not helping Russian banks to set up their own management schemes, but simply appointed management, often building the dependency from external interventions.

The lawmakers’ latest move was welcomed by the head of the Russian Institute for Problems of Globalization, Mikhail Delyagin, who said that any corporation, even the largest one, has to be loyal to the country where it is registered and is likely to execute some of its government’s secret orders, without publicly acknowledging this fact.

“Some countries, like the USA, have the practice of specialists’ rotation – they leave business positions for government posts and vice versa. Any senior manager of a major US consulting company can one day assume a senior position in the CIA, for example, and later go back to business administration,” Delyagin told Izvestiya.

However, Delyagin noted that it would be better to strictly define the definition of aggressor nation and the Russian sanctions against it in the law, in order to relieve the government from additional workload.
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Well I have been waiting for fresh hard news, but there is very little of it.

What does seem to be true is that both sides have thrown everything they have into the fray. This is similar to whatthe Ukrainians did at Slavyansk, but Donetsk is a city ten times the size and they do not have the advantages of geography that they had earlier this month.

In Slavyansk, the militia were to thinly stretched to be able to oppose the isolating pincer movement (which they still managed to break out from). Here however the militia is more numerous and more fully in control of the surrounding countryside and satellite towns. The Ukrainians are therefore at risk of repeating the same mistake they made that created the Southern Cauldron.

Away from the fighting though, there are strange noises about meetings in Minsk and Total Cease fires.....
 
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