Mr. Janiz makes no attempt to absolve any one, he calls for a "forensics team" in order to get to the truth.
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Mr. Janiz makes no attempt to absolve any one, he calls for a "forensics team" in order to get to the truth.
I'm surprised that immediately after MH17 went down Russia was guilty. Voices here also repeated that, regardless of the simple fact that no official investigation had taken place. In fact, no investigations are needed because the President of US said Russia is guilty. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Today, when there are solid evidences of war crimes committed by Kiev forces in parts of east Ukraine totally under their control for the past few months we have people saying that Kiev should not be accused of such war crimes until official forensic examinations have been completed.
If we want to bring back old history to show how brutal Russians were can I also point to what happened to the indigenous Indian tribes of North America? But I shall not as that is totally irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.
Do you guys know what you are saying?
To use a colloquial phrase from my own country "wah lau eh liddat also can!".
Today, when there are solid evidences of war crimes committed by Kiev forces in parts of east Ukraine totally under their control for the past few months we have people saying that Kiev should not be accused of such war crimes until official forensic examinations have been completed.
If we want to bring back old history to show how brutal Russians were can I also point to what happened to the indigenous Indian tribes of North America? But I shall not as that is totally irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.
Do you guys know what you are saying?
To use a colloquial phrase from my own country "wah lau eh liddat also can!".
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2 Ukraine Coast Guard vessels fired on militia who returned fire sinking one from possibly tank or ATGM.
No news on outcome of battle for Donetsk airport except for 2 interesting videos on VK. One showing a large caliber anti-tank gun being used to knock holes in the flight control tower. Pretty impressive shooting as the shells were shown impacting on the distant tower.
Another video was of the Motorola battalion using a tank against a target. Quite surrealistic in that the tank rolled out behind a building corner, let loose a shell, rolls back in, and militias pop out to unload their AKs, and grenade launchers. Don't think the grenadiers even check to see if their grenades went anywhere near their intended targets as the militias walk back in flashing V signs, and the tank rolls out again.
I'd put the clip link here except near the end of it there were 3 dead Kiev soldiers who seemed to be killed by a corrugated roof sheeting that pinned them down.
No news on outcome of battle for Donetsk airport except for 2 interesting videos on VK. One showing a large caliber anti-tank gun being used to knock holes in the flight control tower. Pretty impressive shooting as the shells were shown impacting on the distant tower.
Another video was of the Motorola battalion using a tank against a target. Quite surrealistic in that the tank rolled out behind a building corner, let loose a shell, rolls back in, and militias pop out to unload their AKs, and grenade launchers. Don't think the grenadiers even check to see if their grenades went anywhere near their intended targets as the militias walk back in flashing V signs, and the tank rolls out again.
I'd put the clip link here except near the end of it there were 3 dead Kiev soldiers who seemed to be killed by a corrugated roof sheeting that pinned them down.
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broadsword
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A person guilty of ten murders cannot be convicted for the eleventh he did not commit. Thus far, from what I gather, the prime suspects are not the Russians.
The OCSE monitors are involved and they are able to supervise the investigation. There was no question of blindly believing Russian publications.
Well that makes it easy.
As others have pointed out the OSCE are involved in the investigation, while very strong circumstantial evidence points directly at the previously occupying Ukrainian forces.
Even this however is superfluous to the event, as it is not the substance of the matter (where all are free to disagree within the bounds the credulity) but the manner and the tone. There was no need to express amusement at the death of people, irrespective of the side of the victims or perpetrators.
It is in this light that you were trolling and the offence of that trolling requires a response.
You are therefore banned for two weeks. Any similar offences when you return can lead to longer if not permanent banning.
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Jura The idiot
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I guess people who follow this thread know I'm anti-Putin, but I think the "lol atrocities" statement really should've been removed from http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/crisis-ukraine-87-6939.html#post307147 by the poster ... I'm saying this despite the fact that the number of people in mass graves was exaggerated by Lavrov on October 1 (according to interfax.ru! ) as Purgin () said there were nine bodies in a mass grave near Makeevka (Макеевка) and that the previous Separatists' statement about 400 bodies in mass graves was a misunderstanding (400 was the number of unidentified bodies in morgues in Donbass Area -- according to Purgin and the link I gave above!) ... but there is not reason to "lol" about such things!
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broadsword
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I am no expert, but I can't help wondering if forensics will expose the perpetrators. Are they going to say such a kind of wound is made by a 7.56 or 5.56 bullet? What has the MH17 investigation proven so far? It is not able to point any finger. Especially not when flight recorders and control tower recordings are still kept secret. I am afraid both sides will lie through their teeth about their involvement without tying DNA to the perpetrators.
We have outside evidence on MH17. If in a densely populated area nobody has heard the launch of a missile, whose launch should have been heard within a distance of 10 km and a US satellite that looks for the launch of missiles didn't see such a launch we can safely assume there was no launch ( US secret service people told US journalists they didn't have evidence ). That leave that MH17 was shot down by an aircraft.
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