Crisis in the Ukraine

Most of the Donetsk airport has been taken and the militia flag flies over the terminal building.

Posted by Motrolly. "militia flag hung over the airport terminal DNR Donetsk. DNR Army managed to take all the tactically important points of the Donetsk airport. In any case our airport now. But the Ukrainian side is not satisfied. Surrendering position dill, despite everything, continue to fire the territory occupied by the militia now, and the adjacent districts of Donetsk peace. They treated this area with heavy artillery: "Grad", "Hurricanes." All the smoke, all the lights, Ukrainian forces try to return. I know it's pravoseki, a group of people which is not subject to anyone, do not comply with the orders of a draw. "

Cassad gave a sit rep and predicts a new Kiev offensive around 6 October since they have finished preposition and fortifying their jumping off points. The Kiev thrust is expected along Volnovakha and Debalcevo to split Donbas.

Many young people have joined the militia but a serous shortage of arms, equipment and vehicles made their integration difficult. Much reserve stocks were used in retaking Donetsk airport.
Vehicle spare parts facing serious chronic situation due to lack of it. Vehicle maintenance in the field is also difficult due to lack of parts. Vehicles are cannabilised for their parts.

During the truce many Russians in the militia have return back to Russia.
Support from Russia in the event of a renewed Kiev offensive is doubtful at the moment, since elements in Moscow favours settlement at the expense of New Russia.

Actually many interesting stuff there.

I noticed a saying in Russian, like "intensive truce is going at ..." Donetsk airport for example:
[video=youtube;3pEtUFI-oTM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3pEtUFI-oTM[/video]
(from Separatists' perspective; shows a fallen guy seen since 28:50 (I don't think this view is graphic, and I hope I didn't miss anything nasty in the first two thirds, which I just randomly checked -- I remember the birthday gift though

I found this:

which is an interview with somebody (37, married, two children, member of the city council of Zlatoust (town in the Urals area)) who went to Donetsk to join Separatists, now fights for the Airport ... says 90% of his unit of about 100 man came from Russia; says he was appalled when some local-Russian elderly, WW2 Veteran, told him "I don't care what's gonna happen, I just care if the retirement money arrives."

SampanViking said:

Are atrocities and mass murder something you think fit for a lol?
If so you are one sad, sick little puppy
I think you apologise to the rest of the forum or pack your bags for a holiday
Your choice

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I see you are around Janiz. Good

This matter is not forgotten and now I know you are about, we can conclude.
You have until Midnight Sunday BST to retract or explain to my satisfaction a comment that comes across as sick in the extreme.
If not it will be a fourteen day holiday

a moment ago I noticed pro-Separatists map-server "kot-ivanov" had been moved to

the most recent map there () also shows how, in theory of course, the two sides should move back so that there's 30 km in between them (dash-two dots lines)

SampanViking said:

I see you are around Janiz. Good

This matter is not forgotten and now I know you are about, we can conclude.
You have until Midnight Sunday BST to retract or explain to my satisfaction a comment that comes across as sick in the extreme.
If not it will be a fourteen day holiday

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Yes, I think that Russian press is not a reliable source of informations and you need at least one doctor/coroner to confirm that. Groundless informations are for no use in the public. You need to use confirmed arguments.

Satisfied? I haven't seen any written report from such a body so far. And yes - Russians haven't blinked an eye murdering thousands of people with a single shot in the back of the head in organised mass murders which they tried to hide from the world in the XX century history. And I bet you know about that.

If you're not satisfied with this answer then ban me for two weeks.

Janiz said:

And yes - Russians haven't blinked an eye murdering thousands of people with a single shot in the back of the head in organised mass murders which they tried to hide from the world in the XX century history.

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It does not absolve the guilt of atrocities committed by others and is not relevant to the situation in Ukraine.

Second stage to the Minsk Accord is defining the demilitarised zones on both sides.

Janiz said:

Yes, I think that Russian press is not a reliable source of informations and you need at least one doctor/coroner to confirm that. Groundless informations are for no use in the public. You need to use confirmed arguments.

Satisfied? I haven't seen any written report from such a body so far. And yes - Russians haven't blinked an eye murdering thousands of people with a single shot in the back of the head in organised mass murders which they tried to hide from the world in the XX century history. And I bet you know about that.

If you're not satisfied with this answer then ban me for two weeks.

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T2, reading your response to Mr Janiz very succinct response, that he was and is questioning the wisdom of taking the "flip" Russian accusation against the Ukrainians, and pointing out that the Russians have a history of this type of heinous act, on a massive scale is most certainly relevant, when they are prime suspects themselves..

More to the point, in his first post he very clearly states that only a forensics team would be able to determine who the likely perpetrators where.... in no way did he attempt to excuse anybody, he is pointing out that at least one of the suspects has a long and proven history of using these tactics to "take out the opposition, and terrorize the survivors"...... past behavior is indeed an important part of any "criminal investigation". That a crime has occurred is rather obvious, and Mr Janiz was ridiculing those who would forego a forensics team report, and just take the Russian finger pointing as "authoritative proof". It most certainly is not, and I whole heartedly stand behind Mr Janiz request for at least a reliable coroner or medical examiner??? don't you. Lets let the professionals get to the truth, before rushing to judgement, because there is no other reliable manner to reach the truth in his case, and Mr Janiz is right on to point out that taking hearsay as proof is simply "unacceptable."