Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[SanWenYu]

If you think that it is ok that top Shanghai government officials, top administrators of two hospitals, many top doctors are all needed to be involved in such a trivial thing and that someone was instructed to write an article to brag about it, then I have nothing more to say.

You probably have not seen many 八股文宣. I would not say that everything in that piece was made up by the idiotic writer, but I'd wager that many of those "XXX高度重视", "在XXX的指导下", "市领导指示", etc. are likely exarggerated. I am very skeptical of whether all the named persons were actually involved as described. Anyway, it's my personal experience with such PR trashes from CPC's local branches.

 

[InfamousMeow]

They're called that because they're from Shanghai, not that they gave Shanghai any special privileges.

They are named not simply because they're from Shanghai. Sure, they're called that absolutely not because they gave Shanghai special privileges. But Shanghai Clique did & does influence policies that give Shanghai special privileges. (not that this phenomenon only applies to Shanghai, just it's more significant)

Shanghai Clique is a highly political term coined by highly politically-charged people intending to describe a highly political group (I use group instead of faction to make it as neutral as possible). It is definitely not just refering to the geographical origin of all or some government officials. Just because the term's significance has been fading, along with other highly factional political terms in China, because of Xi's reform and consolidation of party doesn't mean the term is as naive as "because they're from Shanghai".

 

[Tyler]

By the time these vaccines start the trial for Omicron, a new variant would come up. Many of these companies are waiting for the Chinese government to give the go ahead and some incentives. Otherwise, clinical trials are very costly.

They have a large market for mRNA vaccines in China, if they are not going to use foreign mRNA vaccines. Any investments can be recouped easily.

 

[Quickie]

At that time there are a lot of discussions of living with covid. Zhang and Shanghai have been most supportive of such policies That is why you have someone in the central government to come out and refute such policies. I don't think you understand how much pressure the central government and local government are under from foreign businesses and interests and government and overseas students and workers to abandon its strict policies. Just look at how much pressure Carrie Lam were under from foreign businesses, government and her own experts to live with covid.

A former Chinese health minister Gao Qiang would not write an article to a government publication to refute someone in Shanghai if it didn't have the blessing from the top. Even Zhong Nanshan spoke out against living with covid.

Beside, you just have someone in Shanghai government recorded and leaked a tape that complaining about the central government policies. And claimed that it is the central government fault that Shanghai couldn't abandon the zero tolerance policy. That covid isn't serious and just like a cold. That Shanghai should live with the virus.



A lung infection isn't mean serious. It is saying that person has pneumonia. The outbreak in Tianjin 42% of cases have pneumonia.

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42 percent of the infections are classified as general cases who have had pneumonia.

"....A lung infection isn't mean serious. It is saying that person has pneumonia. The outbreak in Tianjin 42% of cases have pneumonia...."

Hmm...I'm not so sure this could have to do with the way how they classified the cases. Malaysia has been reporting over 98% or 99% of its cases as asymptomatic or mild for quite some time already.

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With mild COVID-19:

1. You may have a fever, including one that doesn't reach the 37.8°C mark.
2. You may lose your sense of smell or taste.
3. You may have
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   , muscles aches or a headache.
4. You are not highly likely to have
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   or runny nose, but they do occur in some cases.
5. You do not have marked breathlessness.
6. Your self-care, cooking, eating and drinking are not affected. Your
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   is normal or fairly normal.
7. You may feel sad or weepy.
8. The symptoms typically seem to last about 7-10 days.

Most normally healthy people under 60 who have symptoms will have this form.

 

[KYli]

"....A lung infection isn't mean serious. It is saying that person has pneumonia. The outbreak in Tianjin 42% of cases have pneumonia...."

Hmm...I'm not so sure this could have to do with the way how they classified the cases. Malaysia has been reporting over 98% or 99% of its cases as asymptomatic or mild for quite some time already.

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With mild COVID-19:

1. You may have a fever, including one that doesn't reach the 37.8°C mark.
2. You may lose your sense of smell or taste.
3. You may have
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   , muscles aches or a headache.
4. You are not highly likely to have
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   or runny nose, but they do occur in some cases.
5. You do not have marked breathlessness.
6. Your self-care, cooking, eating and drinking are not affected. Your
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   is normal or fairly normal.
7. You may feel sad or weepy.
8. The symptoms typically seem to last about 7-10 days.

Most normally healthy people under 60 who have symptoms will have this form.

Different countries different classification. China has also underwent a few changes. Asymptomatic, mild, moderate, severe, and critical ill. Your description above includes asymptomatic, mild and moderate. The difference is that China would do a CT scan to determine if the patient has pneumonia or not. The outcome of such scan used to determine a person is asymptomatic or mild or moderate.

 

[Quickie]

Different countries different classification. China has also underwent a few changes. Asymptomatic, mild, moderate, severe, and critical ill. Your description above includes asymptomatic, mild and moderate. The difference is that China would do a CT scan to determine if the patient has pneumonia or not. The outcome of such scan used to determine a person is asymptomatic or mild or moderate.

The over 98% of cases are just asymptomatic and mild and don't include moderate cases, which are in another category.



Again in the link that I posted:

".....
The Federal Territories Covid-19 Coordination and Management Centre (CCMC) said there were 789 cases (44.5%) who did now show any symptoms and 954 cases (53.3%) with mild symptoms.


Category 3 (pneumonia) and Category 4 (pneumonia and require oxygen therapy) made up only 2% of all cases with 23 and 14 instances respectively. ..... "

Not mentioned is Category 5 which is cases requiring ventilators.

 

[Quickie]

The article was dated 18 Jul 2021.

The other link is more recent (09 Feb 2022) :

" .... that only 86, or 0.5%, of Wednesday's new cases were in categories three, four and five. ..."

That was about 2 months ago. So the percentage should be even smaller now.

 

[KYli]

They have a large market for mRNA vaccines in China, if they are not going to use foreign mRNA vaccines. Any investments can be recouped easily.

China has quick a few second generation vaccines that haven't been approved yet.

Many companies would want the government to sponsor expensive clinical trials for third generation vaccines as new variants can emerged anytime to replace Omicron to become the dominant type which could render their vaccines unattractive and not getting procured or fast track. There's a reason why we are still using first generation vaccines.

The over 98% of cases are just asymptomatic and mild and don't include moderate cases, which are in another category.



Again in the link that I posted:

".....
The Federal Territories Covid-19 Coordination and Management Centre (CCMC) said there were 789 cases (44.5%) who did now show any symptoms and 954 cases (53.3%) with mild symptoms.


Category 3 (pneumonia) and Category 4 (pneumonia and require oxygen therapy) made up only 2% of all cases with 23 and 14 instances respectively. ..... "

Not mentioned is Category 5 which is cases requiring ventilators.

Different countries different classification. Fever, sore throat, muscle pain are all signs of congestion which is the first stage of pneumonia. Majority of patients in China are either asymptomatic or mild. However, even if you have mild congestion, your lung still shows signs of pneumonia with CT scan.

 

[Quickie]

China has quick a few second generation vaccines that haven't been approved yet.

Many companies would want the government to sponsor expensive clinical trials for third generation vaccines as new variants can emerged anytime to replace Omicron to become the dominant type which could render their vaccines unattractive and not getting procured or fast track. There's a reason why we are still using first generation vaccines.



Different countries different classification. Fever, sore throat, muscle pain are all signs of congestion which is the first stage of pneumonia. Majority of patients in China are either asymptomatic or mild. However, even if you have mild congestion, your lung still shows signs of pneumonia with CT scan.

".... However, even if you have mild congestion, your lung still shows signs of pneumonia with CT scan. ..."

Wow...that is kind of scary. Mild symptoms could be not so mild after all.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

We reported over 20000 just in nsw alone yesterday. Most experts here believe that number can be as much as ten times less than actual real figure due to lack of testing and people just not caring anymore. Death averages about 20 a day which is less than hk but that's about 600 deaths a month from covid mostly the old and vulnerable. I guess that figure is acceptable for "civilized" western society to stomach so as live with covid.

Which advanced liberal, human rights champion country is this?