Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Sardaukar20]

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We have suspected for quite awhile. But only now, Global Times published an article asking if the original Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak could have come from imported cold-chain produce.

As of now there were many cases of live Covid-19 viruses found inside and outside of imported frozen food packages. The subsequent outbreaks in Beijing, Qingdao, and Tianjin have been traced to imported frozen foods and people handling them. Plus the major outbreaks started at a market or places handling frozen food. So there are some circumstantial evidence to support this theory. So the ongoing investigation of the virus origins which is mostly focused on live animals, perhaps overlooked this. Tied with the revelations of the Covid-19 appearing in Italy back in September 2019 and in Spain in March 2019. It could support the theory that the virus could have been introduced to Wuhan via infected frozen food.

Nevertheless, I feel there are some serious problems with this theory. If frozen food really introduced the Covid-19 virus to the Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market. Then shouldn't there be many other infected frozen foods already in other places in China by that point? Why is the Covid-19 first wave in China mostly focused in Wuhan and Hubei province? It should have created multiple outbreaks in the many cities who are importing frozen foods.

It seems like the more information comes out about Covid-19, more questions arisesr instead of answers.

 

[Gatekeeper]

I think it's more local politicians. People in blue regions tend to be more careful than those in red regions. Houston has been traditional blue, even though Texas is a red state. So we are doing better than those red states. Within the Texas Medical Center, where I work, everyone wears mask at all times (except in our own offices). Some hospitals require face shields in their buildings, while others are less strict with only masks required. I would be shocked to spot a person without their mask on on campus, even walking outside on the streets. However, as soon as you leave the med center, you begin to notice obvious decline in mask wearing. Especially outside, at least half to 2/3 of people still do not wear masks. You get more people with their masks on when you are in a building. You can see the differences between disciplined professionals vs. people who simply don't care.

I honestly have given up trying to understand their rationale for refusing to wear masks. My colleagues and I have discussed this many times in the past and have decided that we simply lack brain power to comprehend their rationale. Gamble your life for a little bit of discomfort? I cannot even convince my own in-law to wear mask outside... It's hopeless.



The vaccine can stay intact for a little bit, like 30 minutes, at room temperature. So it's ok for techs to bring the vaccine out of a -80 freezer and let it warm up before injection. Once it enters your body, your biology will take over and physiological temperature of 37 deg is perfect for vaccine.

It must be a nightmare to try and contain this thing when half the population is not willing to co operate. I'm not a medical person nor do I profess to know about medicine. But logic dictate that germs don't have favourites and will attached itself to anyone.

So just what do these maskless people are thinking? Is it purely a comfort thing, or is it more political? Sorry for your state to be put into that position.

In the UK. It's mandatory to wear masks. And almost everyone is wearing one when out and about. In college, all my students wears one. It become 2nd nature.

I wonder what happens when US GOV made it mandatory?

 

[Gatekeeper]

I'm in redneck country and white people won't even get near me. I sold something online locally and met in person and the person (with MAGA hat and no mask) left the cash on the ground for me to pick up.

I bet you if I didn't have an English first name, they wouldn't even meet me.

Sorry to hear you live in the redneck part your country. Stay safe.

 

[Gatekeeper]

These are the same idiots who think China is collapsing and at the same time going to overtake the US; let's just say anglo style democracy doesn't exactly select for the most intelligent of humans.

Same people that signed Trump's disclaimer about getting Covid 19 in order to attend his rallys.

 

[plawolf]

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We have suspected for quite awhile. But only now, Global Times published an article asking if the original Wuhan Covid-19 outbreak could have come from imported cold-chain produce.

As of now there were many cases of live Covid-19 viruses found inside and outside of imported frozen food packages. The subsequent outbreaks in Beijing, Qingdao, and Tianjin have been traced to imported frozen foods and people handling them. Plus the major outbreaks started at a market or places handling frozen food. So there are some circumstantial evidence to support this theory. So the ongoing investigation of the virus origins which is mostly focused on live animals, perhaps overlooked this. Tied with the revelations of the Covid-19 appearing in Italy back in September 2019 and in Spain in March 2019. It could support the theory that the virus could have been introduced to Wuhan via infected frozen food.

Nevertheless, I feel there are some serious problems with this theory. If frozen food really introduced the Covid-19 virus to the Wuhan Huanan Seafood Market. Then shouldn't there be many other infected frozen foods already in other places in China by that point? Why is the Covid-19 first wave in China mostly focused in Wuhan and Hubei province? It should have created multiple outbreaks in the many cities who are importing frozen foods.

It seems like the more information comes out about Covid-19, more questions arisesr instead of answers.

Good points, although I think the implication is that currently in search for the mystery missing link host animal between bats and humans have been focused primarily on wildlife native to southern China and especially those sold at the wet market.

If China wasn’t the actual origin, and in fact was only contaminated due to imported frozen foods, then the reason the missing link animal has not been found may be because it’s not native to China, but in fact is a European species.

The irony will be so rich if all this started because of an European hunting dog. Wonder if the western press would still be playing the ‘outdated barbaric practices that have no place in the modern world’ BS when it’s their own cherished customs and traditions that are the problem.

 

[FangYuan]

China should think seriously about domestic production of agricultural products and restrict imports. It helps improve national security and saves foreign currencies.

Importing agricultural products from abroad is very dangerous. It has potential for many viruses, toxic chemicals and destroys China's agricultural production system

 

[AndrewS]

Good points, although I think the implication is that currently in search for the mystery missing link host animal between bats and humans have been focused primarily on wildlife native to southern China and especially those sold at the wet market.

If China wasn’t the actual origin, and in fact was only contaminated due to imported frozen foods, then the reason the missing link animal has not been found may be because it’s not native to China, but in fact is a European species.

The irony will be so rich if all this started because of an European hunting dog. Wonder if the western press would still be playing the ‘outdated barbaric practices that have no place in the modern world’ BS when it’s their own cherished customs and traditions that are the problem.

Realistically, we can't say where it originated.
There are traces detected in Spain (Mar 2019) and Italy (Sep 2019)

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[plawolf]

Realistically, we can't say where it originated.
There are traces detected in Spain (Mar 2019) and Italy (Sep 2019)

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Maybe not, but I think Chinese researchers should seriously consider expanding the list of species they are investigating for when looking for the still missing intermediate host, to include common European animal breads such as cats, dogs, foxes, badgers, mice and the like. Indeed, it might be two or more intermediate species.

I think if China can scientifically prove the evolution chain of Covid included an intermediary host not native to China but rather Europe, it would be evidence that would be hard for even the MSM to twist. Personally I think that will be the only level of proof capable to clearing China’s name as the source of the outbreak.

 

[LawLeadsToPeace]

Maybe not, but I think Chinese researchers should seriously consider expanding the list of species they are investigating for when looking for the still missing intermediate host, to include common European animal breads such as cats, dogs, foxes, badgers, mice and the like. Indeed, it might be two or more intermediate species.

I think if China can scientifically prove the evolution chain of Covid included an intermediary host not native to China but rather Europe, it would be evidence that would be hard for even the MSM to twist. Personally I think that will be the only level of proof capable to clearing China’s name as the source of the outbreak.

Just throwing in my 2 cents. There is potentially another source that I think a lot of people forgot about: the refugees. European nations have claimed to be some sort of savior like figures towards the refugees. Yet, reports like this show otherwise:

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This is literally a breeding ground for disease and extremism. A combination of this and weird European cultural practices can lead to unpredictable results.

 

[Sardaukar20]

The irony will be so rich if all this started because of an European hunting dog. Wonder if the western press would still be playing the ‘outdated barbaric practices that have no place in the modern world’ BS when it’s their own cherished customs and traditions that are the problem.

Agreed. We live in a double standard world. While I do not doubt that there is a good amount of Chinese animal cruelty. Eg. Bear Bile, Sharksfin, etc. The Chinese govt are at least acknowledging the problem and are seriously clamping down. But the stigma of Chinese = animal cruelty is already burned too deep into the psyche of every citizen of the freeworld. In the current worldview, only the Chinese commit animal cruelty.

But in the West, there is no such thing 'animal cruelty'. Calf renin is 'traditional' cheesemaking ingredient. Unweaned lamb meat is 'traditional delicacy in Italy'. Force-feeding ducks for their Foie Gras is 'French traditional'. Bow fishing in USA is 'sport'. Big game hunting is 'sport'.

I am afraid the stigma of Covid-19 being a "Chinese Virus" is sticking too well already. Just like the "Chinese Bat Soup" racist meme. Its now part of Western pop-culture. So even if Covid-19 is found to have originated in Europe, I can bet that the "Chinese Bat Soup" meme is still gonna carry on indefinitely.