Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[plawolf]

That’s highly unlikely. It’s almost impossible for viral particles on a surface to get back into the air. The only way the Coronavirus can travel in the air is through liquid droplets released by someone’s cough or sneeze.

Most likely, some workers touched the contaminated seafood with their hands. Then they rubbed their noses or eyes with their contaminated hands.

So it’s very important for you to wash your hands thoroughly with soap, or disinfect your hands with alcohol, as often as you can. Every chance I get (like whenever I go to bathroom), I also watch my face with soap.

Often frozen seafood and meats are bulk packed and need to be processed into smaller portions and repackaged for general sale. It is possible that frozen virus could become airborne again through this process, as often saws are used to cut up bulk pack frozen foodstuffs, which can produce fine, airborne particles that can be easily breathed in, and allow the virus to enter the respiratory system. This would be a particularly dangerous infection vector, as it means the virus could be frozen anywhere within the food product and surrounding ice, and not necessarily limited to surfaces. That would make decontamination all but impossible without compromising the frozen foods.

 

[KYli]

Isn't Pfizer's announcement last week the good news we are all waiting for?By now there must be tens of thousands if not more Chinese folks that have been given the vaccine and yet there is very little feedback.

China doesn't have people who contract the virus so even if hundreds of thousands of people got vaccinated, there would be no feedback except that the vaccine is safe to administer.

The initial feedback from Brazil, Indonesia, and UAE is actually very good for Chinese vaccines but Chinese companies have enrolled volunteers a few weeks later than the US and Germany companies so it would take another 2-3 weeks before we got any announcement.

 

[localizer]

Isn't Pfizer's announcement last week the good news we are all waiting for?By now there must be tens of thousands if not more Chinese folks that have been given the vaccine and yet there is very little feedback.

We won’t be getting vaccine until after Winter probably.

First batch will be for healthcare people and rich people.

Also Chinese vaccine recipients reported typical reactions to vaccine so it’s eliciting a immune reaction atleast.

 

[plawolf]

Isn't Pfizer's announcement last week the good news we are all waiting for?By now there must be tens of thousands if not more Chinese folks that have been given the vaccine and yet there is very little feedback.

Pfizer’s announcement seems rushed like crazy, with the tiny sample size and short duration of trial after completing vaccination especially sus.

It is also proven to be fallible since 7 people who got the vaccine caught the virus all the same.

There isn’t news reported on the Chinese vaccine because there are no bad news for the western MSM to gloat about (note their contrasting coverage of the politically motivated Brazilian halt to the Chinese vaccine trial, which was splashed all over front pages, yet the confirmation that the halt was a political stunt - timing seems incredibly sus, almost as if it was designed to reinforce the perception of western superiority since it was made very shortly after the Pfizer news; was buried, as was the detail that the ‘serve adverse affect’ was actually a suicide that had nothing to do with the vaccine). But as far as I am aware, there are zero reported infections of volunteers who took the Chinese vaccines. Although maybe that is not yet known since trials are still ongoing.

 

[vesicles]

Isn't Pfizer's announcement last week the good news we are all waiting for?By now there must be tens of thousands if not more Chinese folks that have been given the vaccine and yet there is very little feedback.

The Pfizer vaccine is certainly good news. No doubt about that. But it’s a just a small scale clinical trial. We are still some way from actual use.

Additionally, the Pfizer vaccine has a huge logistical problem. It needs to be kept at -80 deg to be transported and stored. Not many places have these -80 freezers. It’s very expensive. Certainly not CVS or Kroger. Only big medical centers have them. That means the delivery of the vaccine will be extremely challenging. It also means quality control will be a nightmare. If some pharmacy mishandles the vaccine (like letting the temperature slip above -70 for a little too long), the vaccine might lose its effect, or worse generating some unforeseen side effects. I don’t see how to solve that issue in a short time. Even the Pfizer vaccine comes onto market now, I don’t know how soon it can be available to the general public.

 

[localizer]

The Pfizer vaccine is certainly good news. No doubt about that. But it’s a just a small scale clinical trial. We are still some way from actual use.

Additionally, the Pfizer vaccine has a huge logistical problem. It needs to be kept at -80 deg to be transported and stored. Not many places have these -80 freezers. It’s very expensive. Certainly not CVS or Kroger. Only big medical centers have them. That means the delivery of the vaccine will be extremely challenging. It also means quality control will be a nightmare. If some pharmacy mishandles the vaccine (like letting the temperature slip above -70 for a little too long), the vaccine might lose its effect, or worse generating some unforeseen side effects. I don’t see how to solve that issue in a short time. Even the Pfizer vaccine comes into market now, I don’t know how soon it can be available to the general public.

They say 5 days at 4c and longer on dry ice.

West and East Asia can handle this. Others, not so much.

China's Fosun pharma will be producing it locally. That's if the vaccine really works as touted.

 

[vesicles]

Often frozen seafood and meats are bulk packed and need to be processed into smaller portions and repackaged for general sale. It is possible that frozen virus could become airborne again through this process, as often saws are used to cut up bulk pack frozen foodstuffs, which can produce fine, airborne particles that can be easily breathed in, and allow the virus to enter the respiratory system. This would be a particularly dangerous infection vector, as it means the virus could be frozen anywhere within the food product and surrounding ice, and not necessarily limited to surfaces. That would make decontamination all but impossible without compromising the frozen foods.

In that case, wearing an N95 mask along with a face shield should help.

 

[B.I.B.]

China doesn't have people who contract the virus so even if hundreds of thousands of people got vaccinated, there would be no feedback except that the vaccine is safe to administer.

The initial feedback from Brazil, Indonesia, and UAE is actually very good for Chinese vaccines but Chinese companies have enrolled volunteers a few weeks later than the US and Germany companies so it would take another 2-3 weeks before we got any announcement.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Chinese workers on overseas postings to countries that were having serious outbreaks of covid were offered the opportunity of being vaccinated.

 

[KYli]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Chinese workers on overseas postings to countries that were having serious outbreaks of covid were offered the opportunity of being vaccinated.

The feedback from overseas Chinese workers is that no one has contracted the virus yet. There were a few articles from the west that interviewed mainland Chinese in Beijing that lined up to take the vaccine. One of the workers said that no overseas Chinese have been infected so he feels good about the vaccine.

 

[plawolf]

I think we should stop calling this the Pfizer vaccine, because it looks like the German BioNTech is the partner with the core technology behind the vaccine.

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