Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

muddie

Junior Member
Dude, once again, they said they bought it. They didn't say they stole it. China's not playing along with anything. You gotta read the article, not just guess from the title.

On the bottom of the article it says Mossad "purchased" the vaccines.

But the way the article was written kept saying Mossad "acquired" or "obtained" the vaccine making it sound like they stole it or got it without Chinese consent.

It's typical deception by western media sources, because no U.S. ally would ever purchase vaccines from China right?
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
If it was an operation, it was against the US. Why would they have to use back doors? Also there were reports that countries are already pivoting away from Trump in anticipation of the US election. There was even a clip of Trump talking to Putin trying to get him to say something against Biden and he even wouldn't. Trump doesn't care if Americans die so I wouldn't be surprised he's demanding allies to fall in-line when it comes to coronavirus even if people die as a result in other countries. I bet if the Chinese vaccine works, there will be foreigners including Americans that will fly over to China to get the vaccine.
 
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crash8pilot

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The Express is a tabloid newspaper that usually goes for sensationalism with their short articles that lack substance as they distort the truth... That said so is every news outlet here in the UK anyway
 

Temstar

Brigadier
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If there is some cloak and dagger stuff involved here instead of media sensationalism then instead of for Israel it could be for anyone that's a friend of Israel, with Mossad just acting as a front.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
If it was an operation, it was against the US. Why would they have to use back doors? Also there were reports that countries are already pivoting away from Trump in anticipation of the US election. There was even a clip of Trump talking to Putin trying to get him to say something against Biden and he even wouldn't. Trump doesn't care if Americans die so I wouldn't be surprised he's demanding allies to fall in-line when it comes to coronavirus even if people die as a result in other countries. I bet if the Chinese vaccine works, there will be foreigners including Americans that will fly over to China to get the vaccine.
Basically, they didn't want to go ahead publicly because they didn't want the US kicking up a fuss, making threats to try to stop it, putting everyone in an awkward situation with a full 5-year old tantrum like Trump's America always does so the Israelis bought it secretly and after it was already in Israel, money paid, in the hands of scientists, doses administered to important people, let the news out. What's the US gonna do now? Ask them to throw it away? The moment's passed and there's not much to bitch for anymore. And that the Israelis did it in secret anyway knowing America would not like it signals to America not to cross this red line with Israel, putting Israeli lives on the line for America's own hegemony problem with China.
 

Tam

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On the bottom of the article it says Mossad "purchased" the vaccines.

But the way the article was written kept saying Mossad "acquired" or "obtained" the vaccine making it sound like they stole it or got it without Chinese consent.

It's typical deception by western media sources, because no U.S. ally would ever purchase vaccines from China right?


Israel is one of the 'allies' that has a close relationship with China.
 

localizer

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The Chinese mainland on Tuesday registered 42 new COVID-19 cases, including 22 identified in northwestern Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and 20 from overseas, the National Health Commission announced on Wednesday.

A total of 38 new COVID-19 asymptomatic cases were also registered on Tuesday.

No deaths related to the disease were reported on Tuesday, the commission said. A total of 570 asymptomatic patients remain under medical observation.

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Out of like 200 asymptomatic cases in the region, there's like 22 symptomatic? We shall see if those asymptomatic become symptomatic.

if not then the # of asymptomatic may be well underestimated across the world.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Only China has the bandwidth and ability to go after asymptomatic cases right now, everyone else couldn’t even find all their symptomatic cases, which is why no other major economy has been able to get a handle on this once an outbreak is in full swing.

I expect global (bar China) reported confirmed cases to only be the tip of the iceberg in terms of actual number of infected. Even the British agree, which is why their ONS does its own survey to estimate likely true number of infected based on scientific sample methods while the official government headline figures are just test confirmed ones, which are massively lower.

On top of that you have countries like the US that is where government officials are trying to suppress the number of tests to bring down confirmed case numbers.

The key reason China has succeeded where all others have failed in dealing with this outbreak is because China has not fucked about playing political spin games or trying to cover up the outbreak, and instead used the the data to drive their efforts and went to unparalleled lengths to expand and refine their testing and data collection capabilities.

I think this is a perfect case study in how the different educational and professional backgrounds of Chinese leaders compared to western ones make a decisive difference in their problem solving capabilities.

Chinese leaders overwhelmingly have a STEM educational and professional background, which instils in them a respect and trust in statics and scientific methods.

Western political leaders OTOH, overwhelmingly have a media, legal or arty background where often facts don’t matter. Instead it is what you can make people believe that is key to success in those fields.

While Chinese leaders accepted the facts and went straight to using data to finding and dealing with the key issues, western leaders never got past the denial stage, and have been focused almost exclusively on how to try to spin the story in a positive light rather than actually trying to deal with the underlying root causes.

This is obviously not limited to Covid, but covers pretty much every aspect on governance, which is why China has been gaining so rapidly and relentlessly on the west in recent decades. All Covid did was strip away all the media spin and political lies, whereas western media and leaders have been able to hide and/or explain away most everyday evidence of how China is comprehensively outperforming the west.

This is above all else why western media and political elite see China as an existential threat to their way of life, because it is. Only they are spinning that to try to convince the idiot masses that China’s system of governance is a threat to all their ways of life, when objectively speaking, the overwhelmingly majority of western society (other than the political and media elite) would benefit enormously if western nations adopted a Chinese style scientific and personal responsibility driven style of leadership and governance.

That’s why you hardly see any coverage of how China has managed to beat Covid in the west until recently, when the threat of a second wave is making the west desperate enough to life their censorship and news ban.
 
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