Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
Bloomberg has the worst paywall schemes. You scroll down reading one of ten free articles a month and then when you reach the end it also just touches the next article and that counts as a view. I use up my free views early on because of it. Can you post the article?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

You can use outline to bypass some paywalls.

A Chinese Vaccine Could Save American Lives
TYLER COWEN OCTOBER 25, 2020
Critics of President Donald Trump’s trade war with China stress that it has led to higher consumer prices, costly bailouts for American farmers and mutual hard feelings. All these points are right as far as they go, but they don’t go far enough. The biggest cost of the trade war — measured in lives lost, lingering business uncertainty and a longer economic downturn — is the lack of cooperation between the U.S. and China on vaccines and other biomedical advances.

Consider the U.S. position. Since it’s impossible to know which vaccines for Covid-19 will be safest and most effective until the clinical trials are further along and other studies have been made, the federal government has made advance
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
of seven vaccines. By pre-purchasing a portfolio of vaccines, the U.S. can ensure that when the time comes to ramp up production, the companies will be ready.

The current portfolio is multinational, including investments in Pfizer, Sanofi, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. Ideally, there should be at least one Chinese vaccine included, but there is not.

Obviously, given the rhetoric of the current administration, using a Chinese vaccine would be politically difficult. You can’t call it “the Chinese virus” and then tell Americans they ought to take a Chinese vaccine. So the Trump administration has made no serious effort to make a vaccine-sharing deal with China.

Early in the process, some U.S. observers went so far as to sneer at the Chinese vaccine efforts. But to date they have been impressive. China has made the fastest progress of any nation, and it has several vaccine contenders, with
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
now in Stage 3 trials.

While final results are not in, data from Brazil indicate that the Sinovac vaccine likely is
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
. The United Arab Emirates also is in the midst of testing the BBIBP-CorV vaccine in a Phase 3 trial, with results expected soon, just as China itself is actively testing the products. One recent
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in the medical journal The Lancet indicated a result of “promising” and also sufficiently safe. The matter is hardly settled, but at the very least the Chinese vaccines are not dropping out of contention.

China is already administering those vaccines to its military and to some employees of state-owned enterprises. The U.S. typically would be more cautious. But China, with its extensive information-gathering capabilities, is effectively conducting its Stage 3 trial in public, and at an accelerated pace. Whether or not you agree with that policy, Americans in principle can benefit because it is China is taking all the risk and generating the information.

Another advantage of the Chinese vaccines is that they are designed for quick production and rapid scalability. That could be helpful even if in purely biomedical terms they are not the most potent products.

In all fairness, there is no guarantee that the U.S. would have been able to strike a vaccine deal with China even if Trump were not president and there were no trade war. Still, the Chinese have been very active making advance sales of their vaccines abroad, often attempting to extract geopolitical concessions as well. China also just
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
for Covax, the vaccine-sharing multilateral arrangement. The U.S. still has not joined.

The U.S. should not offer international concessions in return for a claim to Chinese vaccines. But it is quite possible China would be open to a cash deal. China could also obtain the rights to buy some U.S. vaccines, thus reducing risk on both sides, as a kind of mutual insurance contract.

It would probably qualify as a humbling propaganda defeat if America turned out to need a Chinese vaccine. But eating a little crow would be a small price to pay for a useful vaccine, given the immense damage wrought by Covid-19.

At a faster pace than most people would have thought possible, China has become a major player in the biomedical sciences. Trade with China isn’t just about iPhones, soybeans and plastic toys at Walmart. These days, it is also a matter of life and death. Maybe few Americans knew that when the trade war started. But one of the very virtues of trade that it creates valuable opportunities that are hard to foresee.
 

bajingan

Senior Member
Well I guess Europe is going to be in the shitter for a while, maybe less listening to Pompeo and HK terrorists might help. I mean the uk is quite screwed as well, but really ‘God save the queen but not the people right?’

And they dare to critizise other countries for having cult leaders when their monarch cult worshipping is same level as north korea lol
 

emblem21

Major
Registered Member


LOL, the lockdowns are a joke.
Yeah, if they did it the Chinese way, lock downs wouldn't have to be needed in the first place, but well freedom is more important and thus lock downs are unfortunately needed to teach everyone to grow a brain and wear a damn mask and to also have common sense
 

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
LOL, the lockdowns are a joke.
Yeah, if they did it the Chinese way, lock downs wouldn't have to be needed in the first place, but well freedom is more important and thus lock downs are unfortunately needed to teach everyone to grow a brain and wear a damn mask and to also have common sense
now you're gonna have a lotta kids and adults who gonna feel like they responsible for they parents deaths
 

solarz

Brigadier
Yeah, if they did it the Chinese way, lock downs wouldn't have to be needed in the first place, but well freedom is more important and thus lock downs are unfortunately needed to teach everyone to grow a brain and wear a damn mask and to also have common sense

The point is, a "lockdown" that keeps schools open (and allows nursing home visits!) is not a lockdown at all. It's just a token gesture meant to make the politicians look like they're doing something.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Bloomberg has the worst paywall schemes. You scroll down reading one of ten free articles a month and then when you reach the end it also just touches the next article and that counts as a view. I use up my free views early on because of it. Can you post the article?
Just wipe out their cookies and use the incognito mode
 
Top