Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[coolieno99]

John Bolton seems to understand what goes around comes around.

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Going to court means the defense has the rights to look into all the biological weapons research the U.S. has engaged in. And that including releasing all records of accidents occurred in those labs. The U.S. has the largest network of weapons Bio-labs in the world, and the many accidents happened in them. John Bolton knows this, and it would be a very bad idea to expose everything, and even point the finger at the U.S. as the original source of Covid-19. This guy is a war hawk, if he said the lawsuit is a bad idea, that means the U.S. has a very weak case.

 

[plawolf]

Here is an idea.

Given US livestock producers are unable to process their livestock and safety provide safe supply of meat for China due to uncontrolled outbreak of Covod-19 within their meat packaging facilities.
Also given China needs to protect public health and ensure untainted and safe supply of meat.

China could purchase the unprocessed and excess livestock and ship them to China for processing to help ensure a safe meat supply. Wouldn't this a prudent thing to do to ensure the highest quality of meat and protect public health.

This should also be applicable for any country close to China that has uncontrolled outbreak in their livestock industry. BRI transportaion routes can also be better utilized for such purpose.

What do you guys think?

Something like these.

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A few issues, firstly, the number of livestock carrier ships is very limited, and you cannot easily convert bulk carriers to ship livestock. So realistically, the amount of live livestock you can ship will be a tiny fraction of the capacity of processed meat you can ship.

Secondly, it takes a couple of weeks to travel by sea from the US to China. That’s a long time, which can, and do adversely affect the animals, which in turn can affect the quality of the meat.

You also have significantly increased risks and ‘breakage’, of animals getting ill and dying in transit.

That leads to another point, we know that COVID19 can infect domestic and big cats, and other exotic animals. There is a risk that it can also infect cattle and other domesticated livestock.

Unless and until there have been significant research done to rule out that possibility, I don’t think live shipments are a risk worth taking.

 

[Gatekeeper]

A clip of Australia complaining about China's ban on beef "without warning". Gee, get a grip. You're the adult in the room, just what did you expected when you joined forces with USA to push the Wuhan conspiracy theory!

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1429458270595410&id=100005937511795

A lone woman protestor in Australia was forceful remove and separated from her screaming child for breaking lock down rules. And that is ok. But when China enfirced the lock down rule earlier in the year, Australia complained about human rights abuse to China. Gee.

https://www.facebook.com/100024899971391/posts/688497005323626

Meanwhile, due to the measures taken by China, life is slowly getting back to normal. This is Beijing subway today.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3014583115246100&id=100000833237410

 

[hullopilllw]

A clip of Australia complaining about China's ban on beef "without warning". Gee, get a grip. You're the adult in the room, just what did you expected when you joined forces with USA to push the Wuhan conspiracy theory!

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1429458270595410&id=100005937511795

A lone woman protestor in Australia was forceful remove and separated from her screaming child for breaking lock down rules. And that is ok. But when China enfirced the lock down rule earlier in the year, Australia complained about human rights abuse to China. Gee.

https://www.facebook.com/100024899971391/posts/688497005323626

Meanwhile, due to the measures taken by China, life is slowly getting back to normal. This is Beijing subway today.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3014583115246100&id=100000833237410

The common chinese mass seems to have better sense of rationality, perhaps due to their collectivistic culture.

 

[Gatekeeper]

The common chinese mass seems to have better sense of rationality, perhaps due to their collectivistic culture.

Not sure about "collectivistic culture". It may be due to many things, that "collectivist" maybe one of them.

 

[PiSigma]

A few issues, firstly, the number of livestock carrier ships is very limited, and you cannot easily convert bulk carriers to ship livestock. So realistically, the amount of live livestock you can ship will be a tiny fraction of the capacity of processed meat you can ship.

Secondly, it takes a couple of weeks to travel by sea from the US to China. That’s a long time, which can, and do adversely affect the animals, which in turn can affect the quality of the meat.

You also have significantly increased risks and ‘breakage’, of animals getting ill and dying in transit.

That leads to another point, we know that COVID19 can infect domestic and big cats, and other exotic animals. There is a risk that it can also infect cattle and other domesticated livestock.

Unless and until there have been significant research done to rule out that possibility, I don’t think live shipments are a risk worth taking.

People also forget American beef sucks already. I never eat beef in the US as it basically taste terrible, no matter how good the cut. Australian beef is a much higher quality due to being grass fed vs American beef being corn fed.

China can just get beef from other places like Argentina and Brazil, which have the best beef in the world imo.

 

[Dolcevita]

A few issues, firstly, the number of livestock carrier ships is very limited, and you cannot easily convert bulk carriers to ship livestock. So realistically, the amount of live livestock you can ship will be a tiny fraction of the capacity of processed meat you can ship.

Secondly, it takes a couple of weeks to travel by sea from the US to China. That’s a long time, which can, and do adversely affect the animals, which in turn can affect the quality of the meat.

You also have significantly increased risks and ‘breakage’, of animals getting ill and dying in transit.

That leads to another point, we know that COVID19 can infect domestic and big cats, and other exotic animals. There is a risk that it can also infect cattle and other domesticated livestock.

Unless and until there have been significant research done to rule out that possibility, I don’t think live shipments are a risk worth taking.

I agree with most of what you say plus there is the issue with immediate economic viability.

I agree that there are unknown risk with livestock being infected although it is not a known risk today. The consensus today is it does not infectious in hog, cattle or chicken. Livestock producers would be raising alarms if it was.

What we currently know is that US meat processing facilities are experiencing uncontrolled outbreak and high risk working environment. I suspect it is because the workers are handling the meat as they cut the meat into smaller pieces through a conveyor belt. If a worker sneeze and contaminate his/her hands, it can quickly contaminate all workers within the same conveyor line, infect all subsequent workers and contaminate all the meat. Assuming that the meat is quickly frozen before it ships. There is a high risk that the contaminated meat will contain active virus once the meat is thawed. It could then still potentially infectious if the handler does not carefully wash their hands or thoroughly cook the meat. Ideally, it should be thoroughly researched to ensure the safety.

While the economics to shipping large quantity of livestock may not be economically viable today. The risk of the second wave of infection is not just a public health issue, it will also be very damaging for whole economy.

Until we know if contaminated meat is safe after defrosting, we should also investigate the feasibility of shipping livestock instead of frozen meat.

 

[vesicles]

People also forget American beef sucks already. I never eat beef in the US as it basically taste terrible, no matter how good the cut. Australian beef is a much higher quality due to being grass fed vs American beef being corn fed.

China can just get beef from other places like Argentina and Brazil, which have the best beef in the world imo.

Talking about beef. Every time when I watch any eastern Asian talk shows (Chinese Mainland, Taiwan, Japan, SK, etc), they talk about how dangerous American beef is. I've been eating steaks of local Angus beef (medium rare) for decades and have not felt any issues. And I have not heard any of my friends complaining about their steaks/beef... What is going on?

 

[Jura The idiot]

Talking about beef. Every time when I watch any eastern Asian talk shows (Chinese Mainland, Taiwan, Japan, SK, etc), they talk about how dangerous American beef is. ...

what type of danger would they claim?

 

[Dolcevita]

People also forget American beef sucks already. I never eat beef in the US as it basically taste terrible, no matter how good the cut. Australian beef is a much higher quality due to being grass fed vs American beef being corn fed.

China can just get beef from other places like Argentina and Brazil, which have the best beef in the world imo.

I agree American beef are not the best (anti-biotic, hormone, etc), Brazilian meat processor may have the same issue as the US because of the uncontrolled outbreak there.