Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

ZeEa5KPul

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Japan might have a high per capita GDP with low natural resources but its economy has massive problems and China will definitely not be mimicking that route. I understand that China doesn't make money by selling natural resources but I brought it up for a different reason. How much living space is there? If you earn a lot of money but that money still only affords you a 700 sq ft apt in the city, is that rich? If you earn a lot of money but eating a steak is still a special treat where the whole family shares 1 rib-eye because it's so expensive, is that considered rich? That's the Japanese type of "high income."

In the end, I agree with you that China can get most people to live in modern metropolises with cutting edge technology and that alone would make China immensely powerful, but the middle income trap deals with how personally rich those people are as they are surrounded by collective wealth.
I agree with your point about the limitation of China's land endowment relative to America (my point about McMansions), but even that can be addressed by building vertically. It's not too difficult to imagine that thirty years from now Chinese architects will be able to design far taller residential skyscrapers with apartments much bigger than 700 square feet. Thankfully (or not, depending on your point of view), China already consumes more meat per capita than Japan even while it's at a lower level of development.

Your take on the middle income trap isn't how I understand the concept. What I got from it (tbh, it's not like I studied it in depth) is that export-dependent economies can reach a point where their competitive advantage in low cost labour is eroded by rising wages but their internal markets and independent technology development is insufficient to advance to the next phase of development. I suppose it's possible logically, but I've never seen a convincing example of an economy stuck in the middle income trap.

You raise an excellent point about collective wealth - implicitly contrasted with individual wealth - and how much of a society's wealth is individual vs collective. I agree that even when it becomes an advanced economy, China's wealth will be more collective than individual as is typical of an East Asian state.
Basically he make up something in his head, write an article based on an anonymous source who is really himself, kinda like Trump economic advisor Navarro, and then publish it on atimes which is run by that Goldman guy.
Ron Vara strikes again.
 

PiSigma

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Japan might have a high per capita GDP with low natural resources but its economy has massive problems and China will definitely not be mimicking that route. I understand that China doesn't make money by selling natural resources but I brought it up for a different reason. How much living space is there? If you earn a lot of money but that money still only affords you a 700 sq ft apt in the city, is that rich? If you earn a lot of money but eating a steak is still a special treat where the whole family shares 1 rib-eye because it's so expensive, is that considered rich? That's the Japanese type of "high income."

In the end, I agree with you that China can get most people to live in modern metropolises with cutting edge technology and that alone would make China immensely powerful, but the middle income trap deals with how personally rich those people are as they are surrounded by collective wealth.
Let's continue in economics thread.
 

Rettam Stacf

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This is a latest list (dated May 1) of 8 coronavirus vaccines that are in human trial. 4 of them (2 from one company Sinopharm) are from China.

For some reason, the vaccines from NIH (US) and China National Biotec Group (China) are not on the list.

PLATFORMTYPE OF CANDIDATE VACCINEDEVELOPERCURRENT STAGE OF CLINICAL EVALUATION/REGULATORY STATUS—CORONAVIRUS CANDIDATESAME PLATFORM FOR NON-CORONAVIRUS CANDIDATES
Non-replicating viral vectorAdenovirus Type 5 VectorCanSino Biological Inc./Beijing Institute of BiotechnologyPhase 2: ChiCTR2000031781
Phase 1: ChiCTR2000030906
Ebola
Non-replicating viral vectorChAdOx1University of OxfordPhase 1/2: NCT04324606MERS, Influenza, TB, Chikungunya, Zika, MenB, plague
DNADNA plasmid vaccine with electropolationInovio PharmaceuticalsPhase 1: NCT04336410Multiple candidates
InactivatedInactivatedWuhan Institute of Biological Products/SinopharmPhase 1: ChiCTR2000031809
InactivatedInactivatedBeijing Institute of Biological Products/SinopharmPhase 1 (regulatory approval)
InactivatedInactivated + alumSinovacPhase 1: NCT04352608SARS
RNAmRNABioNTech/Fosun Pharma/PfizerPhase 1/2: 2020-001038-36
RNALNP-encapsulated mRNAModerna/NIAIDPhase 1: NCT04283461Multiple candidates
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This is a latest list (dated May 1) of 8 coronavirus vaccines that are in human trial. 4 of them (2 from one company Sinopharm) are from China.

For some reason, the vaccines from NIH (US) and China National Biotec Group (China) are not on the list.

PLATFORMTYPE OF CANDIDATE VACCINEDEVELOPERCURRENT STAGE OF CLINICAL EVALUATION/REGULATORY STATUS—CORONAVIRUS CANDIDATESAME PLATFORM FOR NON-CORONAVIRUS CANDIDATES
Non-replicating viral vectorAdenovirus Type 5 VectorCanSino Biological Inc./Beijing Institute of BiotechnologyPhase 2: ChiCTR2000031781
Phase 1: ChiCTR2000030906
Ebola
Non-replicating viral vectorChAdOx1University of OxfordPhase 1/2: NCT04324606MERS, Influenza, TB, Chikungunya, Zika, MenB, plague
DNADNA plasmid vaccine with electropolationInovio PharmaceuticalsPhase 1: NCT04336410Multiple candidates
InactivatedInactivatedWuhan Institute of Biological Products/SinopharmPhase 1: ChiCTR2000031809
InactivatedInactivatedBeijing Institute of Biological Products/SinopharmPhase 1 (regulatory approval)
InactivatedInactivated + alumSinovacPhase 1: NCT04352608SARS
RNAmRNABioNTech/Fosun Pharma/PfizerPhase 1/2: 2020-001038-36
RNALNP-encapsulated mRNAModerna/NIAIDPhase 1: NCT04283461Multiple candidates
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The inactivated ones have chance of success.

The other ones in the list will fail.
 

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Ambassador says coronavirus imported to China, points to genetic sequence as proof
On Wednesday, Fox News reported, citing its sources, that the virus had allegedly spread from a Wuhan laboratory


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MOSCOW, April 17. /TASS/. A gene sequence in the novel coronavirus indicates that the virus was imported to China’s Wuhan, instead of emerging there, China’s Ambassador to Russia Zhang Hanhui told TASS Friday.
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"Five reputable scientific organizations, including the Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden and the Central Botanical Garden of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have collected data on 93 genome specimens of COVID-19, published in a global database covering 12 countries on four continents," the diplomat specified. "The research revealed that the earliest ‘ancestor’ of the virus is mv1, which evolved into haplotypes H13 and H38, and they, in turn, led to emergence of the second-generation haplotype — H3, which evolved into H1."
For clarity, the ambassador used family ties to trace the virus’s development. Thus, the mv1 haplotype is "the grand-grandfather," while H13 and H38 are "the grandma and grandpa," H3 — is "the father" and H1 is "the child."
"The virus that was discovered at Wuhan’s seafood market was of the H1 variety," he continued. "Only the H3 haplotype was discovered in Wuhan earlier, but it had nothing to do with the seafood market."

The previous gene sequences, H13 and H38, were never discovered in Wuhan.
"This suggests that the H1 specimen was brought to the seafood market by some infected person, which sparked the epidemic. The gene sequence cannot lie," Zhang Hanhui asserted.
The ambassador castigated attempts to pin the blame for the pandemic on China as libel
, and reiterated that the country had to undertake huge efforts and suffer a lot of casualties in order to beat the disease.
"In doing so, China bought time for other nations — two entire months — in order to allow them to take prevention and control measures," he concluded.
Earlier, US President Donald Trump doubted that China had divulged all information about the virus’s emergence and spread. On Wednesday, Fox News reported, citing its sources, that the virus had allegedly spread from a Wuhan laboratory. Trump promised to look into this version.
Coronavirus source
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The initial source of COVID-19’s spread has not been identified yet, but it could be a number of regions, Zhang Hanhui stated.
"Numerous facts indicate that the source of COVID-19 has not been identified yet and point towards various regions. The virus is the common enemy of all of mankind, and the search for ‘patient zero’ is aimed not to nail them to a ‘pillar of shame’ but to better understand this virus, discover its evolutionary path and then defeat it completely," the diplomat explained. "By relying on contemporary science and technologies, we can trace the source of the virus and be sure that, sooner or later, the day will come when everything that’s been concealed will be revealed."
According to the envoy, although the novel coronavirus was first discovered in Wuhan, there are no facts determining that the source had originated from there.
He provided an example of a married couple from Japan, who contracted the disease in Hawaii between January 28 and February 7, "without visiting China or contacting any Chinese." Notably, the husband had symptoms by February 3.

Zhang Hanhui pointed to media reports that speculate that the virus had appeared in Italy’s Lombardy as early as January 1.
"Besides, according to some media, a renowned Italian medical specialist Giuseppe Remuzzi opined that the epidemic in Italy had begun spreading before it started in China," he pointed out.
The diplomat also recalled a comment made by Robert Redfield, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who speculated that the large number of flu deaths in the US could have in fact been caused by COVID-19, but the US did not test for it at that time.
"Italy hoped to trace the first infection case by conducting an exhumation, but the US vehemently disagreed," the Chinese envoy emphasized.


US allegations
Beijing furnished the United States with coronavirus data on time, Zhang Hanhui told TASS Friday, commenting on Washington’s allegations that Beijing withheld information about the epidemic.
The diplomat recalled that in late December 2019, the Wuhan Center for Disease Prevention and Control (China CDC) discovered the previously unknown pneumonia cases. According to the ambassador, starting January 3, 2020, China "promptly and timely provided the World Health Organization (WHO), the US and nations’ relevant agencies with information on the epidemic."
"On January 4, the head of the Chinese CDC contacted the US CDC Director and briefed him on the epidemiologic situation," the envoy said. "On January 8 and 19, the Chinese and American Centers again directly held contacts on the coronavirus issue."
The diplomat added that China shared the virus’s entire genome sequence with the WHO and the nations of the world, while the National Health Commission published daily bulletins on the epidemic on its official websites and other media platforms.
Zhang Hanhui underscored that the WHO Director-General Thedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus thanked Beijing for its openness and cooperation.
Earlier, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo claimed that the fight against the coronavirus in the US was complicated by China’s failure to provide Washington with comprehensive information about the disease.
China's international help
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Up to now, China has assisted 120 nations and four international organizations in battling the coronavirus by shipping medical masks, protective attire and ventilators, Zhang Hanhui told TASS.
According to the ambassador, the People’s Republic has done everything to restore production as soon as the initial coronavirus outbreak was contained, and currently is manufacturing more than a half of world’s stockpile of medical equipment.
"[China] has provided 120 countries and four international organizations with general use medical masks, N95 respirators, protective wear, nucleic acid detection chemicals and ventilators," the envoy said. "Besides, [Beijing] also contributed $20 million to the World Health Organization to support international cooperation in battling COVID-19. Ignoring China’s contribution and sacrifices goes against moral norms and conscience."
The envoy also noted that no one is safe in the face of the pandemic, and therefore all nations "must unite, instead of pinning the blame on one another."
"Racism and a Cold War mindset are not only useless in the fight against the ongoing epidemic, but can even drag our world into the abyss," he underscored. "[The pandemic] knows no borders. Nations of the world are a community bound by a single destiny."
What is needed most of all is an effective joint prevention strategy to fight the coronavirus, Zhang Hanhui believes.
"We must also work together to iron out economic relations, unblock trade channels, overcome possible financial crises, and prevent a global economic downturn," the envoy emphasized. "Only through the unity and joint efforts of all of humanity will we achieve a comprehensive victory in the global fight against the pandemic."
On March 11, 2020, the WHO declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic. According to the latest statistics, over 2,000,000 people have been infected worldwide and more than 147,000 deaths have been reported. In addition, so far, over 553,000 individuals have recovered from the illness across the globe.

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At this point, China just need to do what it actually needs to do. Its reputation at this point is pretty shot alread unlss China willing to compensate any country with virus death as a gesture of good will. Is China willing to do that? No. Showing the world thing is completely unnecessary because others don't really care phase 1.

It thinks it acting as a responsible stake holder doing that but honoring something that no one really care at this point make it looks like a wimp trying to buy brownie point. Weak stuff.

China should not worry too much about its reputation at this point, with or without this pandemic, which is, after all, a nature disaster. China's reputation was less than ideal even before this pandemic, because of its lack of soft power (relatively speaking) and the relentless propaganda war waged against it by the Western MSM. What China needs to do, with or without this pandemic, is to improve its PR skills and refine the techniques of its psychops in the international mess media.

It's getting pretty funny LOL. Even the comments sections shows that Americans know he's just trying to push blame.

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Trump says he has evidence coronavirus came from a Chinese lab, but he can't reveal it

The reporter asked the president if he had personally seen evidence that the virus originated in a laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

“Yes, I have,” Trump said.

Pressed later on the specific evidence that gave him confidence that the virus had come from a lab, Trump said, “I can’t tell you that. I’m not allowed to tell you that.

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Intelligence officials and disease experts are shooting down Trump's claim that the US has good reason to believe the coronavirus originated in a Wuhan lab

One intelligence official, who spoke to the newspaper under the condition of anonymity, said policymakers have been told in private briefings that China may have downplayed the outbreak in its early days, but there's no evidence that the virus was the result of an accidental transmission at a Wuhan lab.

"What we know is it's naturally occurring," a second anonymous intelligence official added. "We know that it came from Wuhan. There's been speculation: Did it come from a market? Did it come from a lab? We just don't know."

Meanwhile, experts said while labs are not free from human error, a lab accident in this case is not the most likely of scenarios.

"It's far more likely that Mother Nature is just a step ahead of us and has created a novel pathogen, now able to move quite effectively from human to human," Jason Rao, a bio-security specialist and former senior policy adviser to President Barack Obama, told The Post.

I guess Trump also had the "evidence" of the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine not that long ago.

Situation for the U.S. on May 1:
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Situation for China on May 1, excluding HK, Macau, and TW:
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