Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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I don't have a problem with China hiding information from the US because of exactly what Dr. Peter Dazsak explained in the video in this link. Of course they're going question Dazsak's credibility because he's not following the anti-China narrative first and only. The anti-China factions of the world are furiously angry how anyone can defend China after coronavirus. That's because someone like me don't want any one like them in control of the world. They don't care about what coronavirus has done in the world. They only care about using it to carry out their anti-China agenda. I wouldn't trust them investigating in China. They will lie and not seek the truth. Just like in the US they didn't realize how much coronavirus may have been in the US longer than they thought but as before they're stubborn not accept anything else which is why they were late to acknowledge anything outside of what they want to believe. Remember how it was not until the Chinese checked out EM drives that they begrudgingly looked into it where before the scientific community automatically rejected it because it simply defied the laws of Newton. They expect China to follow everything by how they do it even all the flaws because they have to look like they were right and not wrong. More and more you see the West adopting methods and technology to handle the coronavirus China used labelling it draconian. Their way cost more lives because they were outright intentionally avoiding anything China did just so they avoid giving China any credit. That's a leader everyone in the world wants... The US is still looking at South Korea as a model. That train has already left the station long ago.
 
supercat

supercat

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coolieno99 said:
Covid-19 infections in U.S. occurred much earlier than was being reported. Dr. William Schaffner believes Covid-19 did not come directly from China.


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Wow, what does that mean for CDC's competence? In comparison, it took only about one week for China to figure it out:
A medical-surveillance system that China implemented after SARS led officials to discover the new coronavirus within 1 week
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Situation for the U.S. on April 26:
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Situation for China on April 26, excluding HK, Macau, and TW:
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bajingan

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Jura said:
a recent
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interview with some Russian academician by the name P. M. Chumakov (Чумаков)
who apparently exists (
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and says about "Chinese scientists in Wuhan laboratory" (В Китае ученые Уханьской лаборатории ...), not a literal translation:
"They did foolish, in my opinion, things like modifying the genome of a virus so that it could infect human cells."
(Они делали совершенно безумные, на мой взгляд, вещи: к примеру, вставки в геном, которые придавали вирусу способность заражать клетки человека.)

The headline is something like


automatic translation should work:
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The future of warfare i reckon, far more effective than hypersonic, AI, and whatnot
 
SteelBird

SteelBird

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This thread turns too fast that I cannot make sure what I'm going to post has not been posted before because I usually just turn back 5 pages at most for previous posts.

OK, I came across this article on CNN (fake news?) and it seems ensure that covid-19 is not a lab virus as some politician has been speculating. There's a scientist team called PREDICT and they have been studying coronavirus on bats for at least 10 years. They predict that there are about 15000 types of coronavrius that bats carry. Only a handful hundreds are known to human including the Covid-19.

The virus hunters who search bat caves to predict the next pandemic
by Julie Zaugg, for CNN

Updated 0038 GMT (0838 HKT) April 27, 2020

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supercat

supercat

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Mink found to have coronavirus on two Dutch farms: ministry
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Ban real fur, prevent pandemic and animal cruelty!

In other news:
Saudi Arabia Cuts $265 Million Deal With China to Fight Virus
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Saudi Arabia will pay China 995 million riyals ($264.6 million) to provide coronavirus tests and medical expertise, Abdullah Al-Rabiah, chairman of the Negotiation and Purchase Committee said Sunday, citing a royal decree.

The deal will provide the Saudis nine million kits with a capacity to test 50,000 people per day. China will also help the kingdom with 500 medical experts, running six laboratories, including a portable lab.

The committee has also purchased tests from other companies in the U.S., Switzerland and South Korea, bringing the number of targeted tests to 14.5 million -- roughly 40% of Saudi Arabia’s population.

The kingdom has reported 17,522 virus cases, including 139 fatalities. It has only recently relaxed curfew rules in some parts for the holy month of Ramadan.
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Dolcevita

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vesicles said:
Yes, that seems to be the prevailing explanation now. A month and half ago, it wasn’t. There were articles talking about how they were only counting pneumonia cases. I can’t seem to find those articles anymore. I’ll keep digging and letting you know as soon as I find some.

With that being said, I don’t think widespread testing is the reason. If widespread testing is why their fatality is low, they should have a much bigger number of the total confirmed cases. That’s how you lower your fatality, yes? Yet, their total cases are not that much higher than other European countries. In fact, their total case numbers are actually a lot lower than Spain and Italy. In other words, Spain and Italy are doing more widespread testing than Germany. So their denominator is the same as or even smaller than others. It’s their numerator that’s so much smaller. Widespread testing won’t do anything to the numerator.

A widespread testing also means early detection. However, I don’t think early detection and treatment mean much for COVID-19. Keep in mind that we don’t have any effective treatment. This is not a tumor. If you detect it early, you can take it out and go back to your normal life. Patients infected with the coronavirus will have to rely on their own immune system to fight off the virus. When you show mild symptoms, they tell you to stay at home. What hospitals can do is to keep the patients alive when their bodies are failing, while giving the patients more time to fight. That would be late stages of the infection. Even if you detect a person has the virus, no one can and will do anything if that infected individual is showing mild or no symptoms. So in the case of the COVID-19, early detection means nothing. This is also why, in most countries including the US, people showing only mild symptoms or no symptoms are not tested.

Of course, one big benefit of early detection is to keep the infected people off the streets and prevent them from infecting others. Yet, Germany’s total case count isn’t so much different than other European countries. It’s slightly higher than the UK and slightly lower than France. So they have even more total cases than the U.K. who initially planned to do “herd immunity” and was at least a week behind other countries in Europe. So their early detection hasn’t prevented the outbreak.
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Intrepid said:
Until the first week of March Germany had very effective containment. Even people not tested positiv had to quarantaine if they where so called "contact persons". Thereafter containment failed due to lack of staff to follow up every infection. The virus was only a short periode out of control to spread free, then the population began with social distancing before the rules of social distancing were officially announced.

Many people in Germany understood early on that Covid-19 is not flu. And they took the disease seriously. According to surveys, around two thirds of the population think and act accordingly.
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Thank you both. I think you have answered most of your own question, I just want to add the following observation.

Abundant testing in Germany appears to have started much earlier before a full-blown outbreak started. This helped flatten the infection curve by contact tracing and isolating those infected.

The abundance of testing capability allowed them to better target those who needed testing such as close-contact person and high risk patient with symptoms.

The abundance of testing capability also allow Germany to test in timely manner. We hear too many testimonials elsewhere where sick patient are not being tested because they did not meet certain criteria despite showing all the symptoms associated with COVID-19. This also helps flatten the curve.

Testing also compared to rest of Europe was more steady over a longer period of time which means testing does not have to be a shotgun approach and can be more targeted to high risk patient.

While detection does not help cure the disease, it does mean the medical resources can better be allocated to caring and monitoring those high risk patient. At least have not heard of abandoned nursing home full of dead and infected patients.
 
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Dolcevita

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AssassinsMace said:
Pardon my ignorance but why is having milk important aside from the obvious? Adults don't need to drink milk.

I find it interesting what people choose to store for the "apocalypse". I mentioned before I know someone at the beginning of this who was a health food nut. And this person was choosing foods like vegetables and fruits more than could fit in their refrigerator that were going to spoil and rot long before any of the experts estimated how long this event was going to last before "getting back to normal". If you're in the mindset that food will be scarce and storing food is necessary and if you're thinking eating healthy is still important, you'll probably be one of the first to die in an apocalypse. Those calories and fat that healthy people want to avoid, those things will be important when food is scarce.

I use to have more than a hundred pounds of rice in the house. Properly stored, rice can last a long time because it keeps well and is a natural compact food. When it's cooked it feeds a lot people. Now I don't have that much rice because some of my family bought into how rice isn't good for you. I know some people can't think of having a diet of rice alone. It makes a great filler so everything else can last more. Also canned foods is a no-no in this day and age because they tend not to be healthier. There was an article on how Conagra Foods is having a boon in sales because of coronavirus. They make all the yummy canned foods when you were a kid like Spaghetti-Os and Ravioli. I wonder if millennials are dying more, not because of coronavirus, but because they don't know how to use a can opener. All they said is the bad stuff in general is the good stuff during the apocalypse.

I remember a few years ago I was curious how much MREs cost. It was around $25 each. That's a lot for a meal for one. I guess that's why they're for war and not the apocalypse. I wonder how much foreign MREs cost. That's what I also found interesting were people who chose a more expensive brand of certain types of food that gave you less than the inexpensive brand that gave you more. One person I know bought this fancy brand of crackers that cost like $15. I would rather have Ritz crackers that's almost half the price and three times the amount at Costco.

People are scrambling for toilet paper. Want to cut use of toilet paper, get a smart toilet or smart toilet seat.

I don't think a lot of Americans will do well in the apocalypse. Take away the modernities of life that have spoiled them, I don't really see an optimistic outcome. I know this is not really an apocalyptic event but some people act like it is. You watch like The Walking Dead and you'd think shoes would be equivalent to gold. Do they depict that? No, but everyone is conveniently fashionable for the apocalypse. You don't see people wearing clothing that is not fashionably appropriate or not the right size when in the apocalypse beggars can't be choosers. In real life, fictional apocalypses would make people not think about that in preparing for the apocalypse. Think about how many Americans won't eat what is necessary because they're picky with food.
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@solarz

Just to add, I am not a proponent of dairy milk because of the hormones, which I suspect causes allergies.
However, If this article is accurate, I was wrong for the wrong reason. It is not the hormones that causes allergies. I will still avoid the hormone though.

What caught my attention though was "Milk and dairy products are also pro-inflammatory and mucus producing, which increases risks in respiratory conditions and allergies.". Perhaps not the best time to be consuming a lot of milk. Just saying,


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Drinking Too Much Milk: Cons
Dairy consumption is controversial, and for every study that shows the disadvantages of drinking milk, there's one that proves the benefit. According to
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, cow's milk contains on average about three times the amount of protein of human milk, which can create metabolic disturbances in humans. Milk and dairy products are also pro-inflammatory and mucus producing, which increases risks in respiratory conditions and allergies.

Foods coming from animals naturally contain hormones, but cow's milk specifically contains high amounts.
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which stimulates rapid growth of cattle and artificially speeds up milk production. One of these hormones, IGF-1, boosts the division and multiplication of all normal and abnormal cells,
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Proteins, sugars, fat and saturated fat in milk and dairy products may have health risks for children such as obesity and diabetes.
 
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