Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Many of the states opening are also the last ones that closed. In some ways, this is the choice of the people as well right?

If people that don't think it is the right idea, they also have the right to continue to stay home. For everyone who goes out and causes a huge surge in cases, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

Except we live in a connected, shared world. One person’s choices never just affect him/herself alone.

In America, as like most of the world, there simply isn’t the infrastructure or capabilities to provide home deliveries for everyone. That means no lockdown can be absolute, and people will need to come out eventually for essential supplies or they starve.

If idiots and/or the government has totally given up on trying to contain this outbreak, then even those who are careful and responsible will find themselves in significant danger if the virus isn’t effectively contained before they supplies runs out, and many of them will get infected and die because of the stupidity and selfishness of others.

If the moral arguments alone cannot sway people, maybe speaking their language of greed will be more effective?

Right now the whole world is pursuing containment at massive social and economic costs on top of the human cost in lives lost.

If the EU manages to contain the virus like China and much of Asia in a few months time (as most of them are now appearing to be no track to do except for the UK, who just Brexited anyways), and the virus is still raging out of control in the US with zero credible roadmap to contain it, does anyone honestly think the Europeans will trash all their earlier efforts by continuing with business as usual with the US?

No, the US is going to be shunned and cut off and put in quarantine while the rest of the world starts to go back to normal. The Europeans sure won’t like it, but they will like a second or third wave of COVID19 even less.

How much do you think that is going to cost America directly and indirectly?
If you factor in the probably future costs of whelching on containment now, there really is no contest. Would be like someone throwing away a bag of gold to save a grain of rice.
 
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KYli

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Missouri sues China over coronavirus pandemic

COLUMBIA, Mo. -- The state of Missouri filed a lawsuit Tuesday against the Chinese government over the
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, alleging that nation's officials are to blame for the global pandemic.

The lawsuit, filed in federal court by the state's top prosecutor, alleges Chinese officials are “responsible for the enormous death, suffering, and economic losses they inflicted on the world, including Missourians.”

The Chinese government lied to the world about the danger and contagious nature of COVID-19, silenced whistleblowers, and did little to stop the spread of the disease,” Attorney General Eric Schmitt said in a written statement. “They must be held accountable for their actions.”

Lawsuits against other countries are typically fruitless because U.S. law generally prohibits them with rare exceptions, said Ashley Deeks, an international law expert at the University of Virginia School of Law.

Missouri Democratic Party Executive Director Lauren Gepford called the lawsuit a “stunt” by a Republican attorney general who is up for re-election this year.

The number of Missouri deaths statewide rose by 16 Tuesday to 215, according to Johns Hopkins University’s Center for Systems Science and Engineering. The number of cases rose by 156 to 5,963.

For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing
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problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, and death.
 
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Missouri sues China over coronavirus pandemic

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a byproduct of me checking if it's not a hoax, not dated April 1, etc.:
Missouri Sues China for ‘Campaign of Deceit’ Masking Outbreak
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April 21, 2020, 8:04 PM GMT+2

  • Suit comes as Republicans increasingly seek to blame China
  • Nation protected from U.S. civil suits by sovereign immunity
 

drowingfish

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Many of the states opening are also the last ones that closed. In some ways, this is the choice of the people as well right?

If people that don't think it is the right idea, they also have the right to continue to stay home. For everyone who goes out and causes a huge surge in cases, then they have no one to blame but themselves.
that's not how it works, because people who willingly go out and spread the virus are delaying the return to work time for more prudent individuals. half measures simply don't work, period. some US states and federal gov are basing their policy decisions on most optimistic premises which is extremely stupid and dangerous.
 

drowingfish

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I quit reading right in the first sentence, after "The novel corona virus — as did the Japanese strike at Pearl Harbor— constitutes a sudden attack on the United States",
common "sudden attack", didn't you watch TV in 2020
Andrew Krepinevich is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and the author of “
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now realized I had also mentioned Pearl Harbor Thursday at 3:30 PM
you mean sailed east...
 

coolieno99

Junior Member
The case of China is the original source of Covid-19 outbreak, is far from over. Here are 2 reluctant testimonies given by Americans(in comment section) from the Daily Mail article I've posted earlier. An example of a reluctant testimony is given by opposing side that supports your narrative. For example, an American that says something that supports China. It has more weight than a Chinese person saying the same thing.

AndreDwyer, Boston, United States, 1 week ago
FACT: Over 50 people in Fairfax County, Maryland had pneumonia of unknown cause in July 2019, and at least two died. In August, US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases closed it's lab in Fort Detrick, MD.

Frances US, Lynn, 1 week ago
Actually the majority of first cases, twenty of them, were at the hotel where the US personnel were staying for the war games. there were seven original cases found at the market. There is a possibility that it originated in the US at FT Detrick's bio lab that should not be discounted.
 
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