Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[ChineseToTheBone]

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roughly ten times Chinese numbers and growing

There is a distinct possibility many of those numbers from California and the west coast in general have been infected with a different strain that is less deadly, so perhaps the east coast will be alone in having massive death tolls.

 

[PanAsian]

There is a distinct possibility many of those numbers from California and the west coast in general have been infected with a different strain that is less deadly, so perhaps the east coast will be alone in having massive death tolls.

Besides from the strains of the virus and more so than the US East Coast in general but rather specifically NYC in particular has population, living quarters, and public transportation crowding densities much higher than even other large US cities and certainly smaller cities, surburbs, and rural areas.

 

[PanAsian]

Feed from my WhatsApp

*Anti-China Hysteria Is Very Dangerous, and Very Stupid*
April 16, 2020
This is a press release by the Schiller Institute:

Today, Schiller Institute Founder and Chairwoman Helga Zepp-LaRouche issued the following statement regarding the vicious anti-China campaign being promulgated in the West, especially in the United States:


I think this anti-China campaign comes from a deep-seated geopolitical view that the rise of China necessarily means the downfall of the United States and the West in general. And I think that that view is a wrong view. China has at no point threatened to replace the United States as the hegemonic power. They have offered cooperation on the basis of a win-win cooperation. They have offered the United States a special great power relationship. And it is an absolutely absurd idea that one can prevent a country of 1.4 billion people, which has determined that it wants to go forward on the road of scientific and technological progress—and has proven that that method functions, by lifting 850 million people out of poverty, and then, is starting to offer the advantage of such an approach to others through the Belt and Road Initiative—that you can stop that, other than by nuclear war! And that is, obviously, unfortunately, what some people are willing to toy with.

China is not an aggressive force. But naturally, it does threaten the idea of a unipolar world order, which some neo-con and British elements had tried to impose in the period after the collapse of the Soviet Union, through interventionist wars. The Bush Administration and then also Obama conducted all of these interventionist wars, with the idea of regime change and color revolution, and that has gotten us to the crisis we have now in Southwest Asia and the refugee crisis.

But the idea that you have to stop the rise of China is very dangerous. And we see it right now, that this campaign is absolutely led by British intelligence. As a matter of fact, after President Trump, unfortunately, cancelled the U.S. funding of the WHO, by blaming them that they have been responsible for many deaths, because they misinformed the United States—I don’t even want to comment on that, because it’s just factually not correct—then, the former head of MI6 came out yesterday and said that Trump should not have focussed on the WHO, but on China. And the Henry Jackson Society [in the U.K.], which is totally neo-con and one of the worst reactionary institutions you can imagine, put forward a proposal that the West should sue China, so that China would have to pay for all the costs which have resulted from the pandemic!

Now, the fact that the German tabloid Bildzeitung published this concept today, on page 2, the full story, quoting the Henry Jackson Society, having a long list of proposed bills—what was the cost for the taxi drivers, the hotel owners, just 20 categories—that China should have to pay. And after yesterday, when they had Pompeo on page 3 listing all the arguments against China—that is the final proof that this Bild tabloid is part of the Integrity Initiative, the British intelligence operation controlling the Western press. Formally or not, I don’t care—but de facto they’re spreading the propaganda of the British Empire. They just proved that in the last days, if such proof was still necessary.

But they are trying to hype up the population against China, and it is factually absolutely not true! I’ll just cite some figures, because, when they say that China was “hiding” information about the virus, it is factually not true.

• The first cases of some new, unknown disease became known in Wuhan on the December 23, 2019.

• Then, on December 30th, they reported a suspicious number of people having pneumonia.

• Then on January 3rd, the Chinese National Health Commission issued guidelines on how to treat these cases.

• And already on January 4th, those medical people in Wuhan contacted their U.S. counterparts and the WHO, and informed them about that.

• Then, only three days later, on January 7th, the medical scientific personnel in Wuhan were able, for the first time, to isolate the coronavirus strain. The extraordinary speed in which they succeeded in isolating this new strain was praised by the whole international medical community.

So, I think that that is the record. And I remember, because we were following this closely when it happened.

At that point, already, given the fact that there had previously been SARS and MERS, the Western governments could have absolutely mobilized their production of masks, ventilators, hospital beds, and so forth; but they didn’t do it! Instead, they kept repeating for weeks and weeks, “No, masks are absolutely of no use.” German Health Minister Jens Spahn said, “Oh, the virus will never come to Germany.” He kept repeating that into February, saying the German health system is perfectly prepared for any eventualities. They really did not take it seriously until March, when the whole thing erupted with a speed which left everybody breathless. And even then, they kept saying, you don’t need masks. They did not say: You do need masks, you do need mass testing, let’s produce everything which is necessary. Instead they kept adjusting the line about what was medically necessary to what their meager resources were. And that is a fact. You can say that for all European countries, and it’s still going on, to a certain extent, now.

So, I think that the attack on China is the most foolish, most immoral, lying operation, because if there is one country which did succeed, at least for now—because it’s a pandemic, you never know what will happen down the road—but they were able to contain and stamp out the virus in the hotbeds of Hubei Province and the city of Wuhan. And rather than thinking: maybe it was the centralized government system which China has, which was the reason why they were able to react so quickly, to gear up the production of the entire country; and maybe it was the extreme liberalism of the West which was the reason why it was not possible; maybe one should think that the liberal/neo-liberal system has some inherent flaws. Rather than discussing that, they go into this deflection and attack China.

I think it’s very dangerous, and it’s very stupid. And I think it should stop, and people should really not be led by the nose by these lying mass media, which have nothing to do with journalism. They’re really just the forefront of the intelligence community, trying to feed propaganda in order to further their aims. But it has nothing to do with honest journalism, at all.

One should dig deeper past these symptoms and realize that greed drives them. The refusal to acknowledge greed as the problem fuels all sorts of other rationalizations and problems.

 

[vesicles]

I am deeply concerned with the apparent effort of many states to consider reopen at this point. With confirmed cases still not peaked yet in many states, and even more worrisome testing still not yet widely done, we still have tens of thousands of infected people in the communities. Additionally, we have those who have had mild symptoms, have recovered but still shedding viral particles. I understand the danger of not opening with so many people out of jobs and their own businesses closed. But this is perhaps the worst time to reopen. Most people will assume everything is back to normal and some have been thinking that this whole COVID-19 thing has been blown way out of proportion. I can almost imagine people will start partying... We will get into the second wave soon, which will be the most terrifying as I have explained before. So briefly, I am concerned.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I am deeply concerned with the apparent effort of many states to consider reopen at this point. With confirmed cases still not peaked yet in many states, and even more worrisome testing still not yet widely done, we still have tens of thousands of infected people in the communities. Additionally, we have those who have had mild symptoms, have recovered but still shedding viral particles. I understand the danger of not opening with so many people out of jobs and their own businesses closed. But this is perhaps the worst time to reopen. Most people will assume everything is back to normal and some have been thinking that this whole COVID-19 thing has been blown way out of proportion. I can almost imagine people will start partying... We will get into the second wave soon, which will be the most terrifying as I have explained before. So briefly, I am concerned.

Frankly, that's the only choice they have. America will cease existing as a country if this lockdown persists for 12-18 months as the most optimistic timeline for a vaccine predicts. The virus will wash over the country (as Trump initially wanted) and kill whomever it kills. Hospitals will just turn away patients with respiratory symptoms and tell them to go die at home.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Apr 7, 2020

I don't post this because of the elections, but because of the move up there:
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Wisconsin

2,578

+138

92

+15

2,484

446

16

29,014

5,021

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and
16 min ago

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Wisconsin

4,499

230

4,075

779

40

51,102

8,844

Last updated: April 21, 2020, 17:47 GMT

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[localizer]

Frankly, that's the only choice they have. America will cease existing as a country if this lockdown persists for 12-18 months as the most optimistic timeline for a vaccine predicts. The virus will wash over the country (as Trump initially wanted) and kill whomever it kills. Hospitals will just turn away patients with respiratory symptoms and tell them to go die at home.

If they're gonna open now then all the lockdown sacrifices would've been for nothing. Might as well just went for the herd immunity strategy.

 

[supersnoop]

If they're gonna open now then all the lockdown sacrifices would've been for nothing. Might as well just went for the herd immunity strategy.

Many of the states opening are also the last ones that closed. In some ways, this is the choice of the people as well right?

If people that don't think it is the right idea, they also have the right to continue to stay home. For everyone who goes out and causes a huge surge in cases, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Intrepid]

If people that don't think it is the right idea, they also have the right to continue to stay home. For everyone who goes out and causes a huge surge in cases, then they have no one to blame but themselves.

When a state opens again, the risk of being infected in public increases because more infectious people are on the move.

Then people who have to protect themselves from Covid-19 can no longer do the necessary errands relatively safely.

In the sense of social coexistence, forms have to be found how the economy can be maintained despite social distancing. Some activities such as vacation trips, major sporting events or nightlife will not be possible for a long time.

Always keep in mind: in western countries, a lot of people have to protect themselves from Covid-19 due to obesity and other lifestyle diseases. And: if the health system is under stress, other diseases and injuries can lead to death, which would not have happened without Covid-19. Lastly, doctors and nurses are at increased risk and die unnecessarily if the health system is overwhelmed by Covid-19.

It's not as easy as many think.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Apr 12, 2020

speaking of vaccines,

"As of 8 April 2020, the global COVID-19 vaccine R&D landscape includes 115 vaccine candidates (Fig. 1), of which 78 are confirmed as active and 37 are unconfirmed (development status cannot be determined from publicly available or proprietary information sources)."

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kind of related (but I don't how exactly related, because I don't know dozens vaccines supposedly being developed, in fact I know none of them except I think I've heard of Moderna's vaccine before) is
Coronavirus: in search for vaccine, US small firms take a leading role

• As large drug companies leave vaccine development, smaller biotech firms are stepping in
• Regardless of new technology that can speed the process, ‘we are still looking at 12 to 18 months,’ an FDA official says

so follow the link

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if interested