Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

dratsabknihcllik

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Imo the reason why the West see the WHO as being China centric is because the current Director General Ghebreyesus was China's candidate for the job.
Years ago he when as health minister.of the Ethiopian govt he botched his handling.of the Ebola cris several times.
If it wasnt for China's influence with the Ethipion govt,he would been out of a job.
Hence the belief that China owns him.

Nyt has published an article on Trump's allegation against WHO.

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plawolf

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I beg to differ about the importance of the 1st case. If more testing is done then mortality rate will decrease and often will give a rosier picture to complacent people (most common men).

It’s less the death rate and more absolute numbers of dead.

We know for a fact that only a tiny fraction of extremely likely COVID19 cases are actually tested in most western nations, with general practice of actively discouraging suspected cases from even going to hospitals unless they start developing potentially life threatening symptoms. That means western confirmed case numbers are basically worthless, especially if you want to do cross comparison analysis against Asian countries where testing is far more comprehensive.

Western attempts to boost testing is further muddying the waters in terms of statistical analysis over time.

The actual death numbers thus become the most reliable indicator of the severity of the outbreak in most western nations. Although even that is now starting to look more suspect as the scale of deaths at home and in care homes start to emerge.
 

vincent

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It’s less the death rate and more absolute numbers of dead.

We know for a fact that only a tiny fraction of extremely likely COVID19 cases are actually tested in most western nations, with general practice of actively discouraging suspected cases from even going to hospitals unless they start developing potentially life threatening symptoms. That means western confirmed case numbers are basically worthless, especially if you want to do cross comparison analysis against Asian countries where testing is far more comprehensive.

Western attempts to boost testing is further muddying the waters in terms of statistical analysis over time.

The actual death numbers thus become the most reliable indicator of the severity of the outbreak in most western nations. Although even that is now starting to look more suspect as the scale of deaths at home and in care homes start to emerge.

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Normally in NYC 20-25 people die at home each day. We are now at 200-215. Every day. For sure nearly all the increase is people w/ coronavirus. But not all are being counted that way. One reason that the official NYC covid death count--already high--is certainly an undercount.
 

dratsabknihcllik

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We should take a look at Brazil:
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Good for him. I still recall the accusations against Lula and the accompanied vitriolic media campaign only to be later found lies.

On a broader note: I know this is a defence forum, and many may dislike this post but I hope once this problem is solved people across the world will demand (significantly)more spending on healthcare. Please note this is expected in every country irrespective of the government it has.
 
All epidemiological data still point China as the original location. The genomic variations still have the Chinese strains as the starting ones.
Hi, I've found a few epidemiological studies on this topic.

The original study is titled "Decoding evolution and transmissions of novel pneumonia coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) using the whole genomic data". You can google it if you want. The authors only put their manuscript on ResearchGate. I don't want to link it. You can goole it and it should be the first one on the list.

I am also citing a couple more following studies:

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As you can see, although everyone agrees that the Wuhan seafood market may not be the only place, Wuhan should be the place where the outbreak originated.

Pardon my ignorance but it appears that the evidence you provided to support your previous statement seems to be contradict your assertion. You mentioned that "All epidemiological data still point China as the original location. The genomic variations still have the Chinese strains as the starting ones."

Yet the evidence you provided contradicts these assertion. Direct quotes from research paper states
1. we found that haplotypes H13 and H38 might be considered as ancestral haplotypes, and later H1 (whose descendants included all samples from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market) was derived from the intermediate haplotype H3.
2. Neither H13 nor H38 has samples from Wuhan (Hubei)
 
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