Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Canuck place

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Surge of New Yorkers dying at home, not being counted. We maybe greatly undercounting covid related deaths.

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Yes I think no country can claim they tested everyone that needed to be tested. Maybe except korea.
Especially early in a pandemic. Sadly even with time to prepare, the US did not prepared well enough. They are definitely underreporting deaths. As it gets worse look forward to them pointing fingers and blaming others eg. China, Democrats and WHO.

New York counselor also states that lots of the dead in New York are not counted due to lack of testing.

 

Canuck place

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According to a study quoted by worldmeter:

A study by disease modelers at the University of Texas at Austin states that "Given the low testing rates throughout the country, we assume that 1 in 10 cases are tested and reported. If a county has detected only 1 case of COVID-19, there is a 51%
chance that there is already a growing outbreak underway"

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So by time you find a case, its already too late given the lack of access to timely testing.... Hence why testing is so important.
 

coolieno99

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posted by "broadsword" in CDF

Scientists: origin of COVID-19 remains elusive
(People's Daily Online) 18:13, April 03, 2020

Chinese medical and technical experts share their experience with their Venezuelan counterparts in Caracas, Venezuela, April 1, 2020. Chinese and Venezuelan experts gathered in Caracas on Wednesday to assess diagnostic procedures to bolster Venezuela's capacity to tackle the COVID-19 epidemic. (Miraflores/Handout via Xinhua)
Denouncing some politicians and media outlets accusations of COVID-19 as the“China virus”, virologists around the globe stressed that the real origin of the lethal virus remains unknown, while such name-calling may lead to further racial discrimination, dampening the impartial study of the virus.
Pressed for time, the rapid escalation and global spread of infection has reached almost every country, territory and area, with exponential growth in the number of new cases. According to WHO’s report on April 1, in the next few days 1 million confirmed cases and 50 thousand deaths are expected.
The rapid spread of the virus worldwide has stirred up conspiracy and prejudice against China, where the virus was first reported, with many governmental officials and major media outlets calling the virus “China virus,” despite the origin of the virus still unclear.
The stigmatization of China and relating Chinese to the virus has already led to severe consequences. Xenophobic incidents toward the Asian community are happening far too often in the wake of COVID-19, while San Francisco State University's Asian American Studies Department's latest study shows in a four-week period there was a 50% increase in discrimination in news related to the coronavirus, totaling 140-stories by week four.
“Viruses know no borders and they don’t care about your ethnicity, the color of your skin or how much money you have in the bank. It’s really important we be careful in the language we use lest it lead to the profiling of individuals associated with the virus,” said Mike Ryan, the executive director of WHO’s emergencies program.

Real origin still unknown
Anthony Fauci (front), director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), attends a press conference on the COVID-19 at the White House in Washington D.C. March 9, 2020. He told Science magazine that he has never called and would never call COVID-19 a "China virus." (Xinhua/Liu Jie)
Though the outbreak of COVID-19 was first reported in a fish market in Wuhan, Hubei province in December, experts noted that the real origin of the virus remains unconfirmed, with possibilities the virus may developed elsewhere way before the Wuhan outbreak.
According to Reuters’ report on March 26, Italian researchers are looking at whether a higher than usual number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu in Lombardy, in the last quarter of 2019, may be a signal that the new coronavirus might have spread beyond China earlier than previously thought.
“We want to know if the virus was already here in Italy at the end of 2019, and - if yes - why it remained undetected for a relatively long period so that we could have a clearer picture in case we have to face a second wave of the epidemic,” Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, told Reuters.
According to Decarli, there was a “significant” increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December of last year.
Echoing Decarli, Chinese scientists have also proposed a hypothesis that the virus may have started to spread beyond China earlier than December. According to South China Morning Post’s report in February, researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden, under the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Chinese Institute for Brain Research, sequenced the genomic data of 93 COVID-19 samples provided by 12 countries in a bid to track down the source of the infection, concluding the virus was instead imported from outside the fish market.
During an interview with ABC News in March, Dr. Robert Garry, a professor at the Tulane University School of Medicine and one of the authors of the study, noted that the pandemic may have been triggered by a mutation in surface proteins of the virus. It's also possible that a less severe version of the illness was circulating through the population for years, perhaps even decades, before escalating to this point.
While many believe the virus originated at a fish market in Wuhan, China, Garry said that is also a misconception.
"Our analyses, and others too, point to an earlier origin than that," Garry said. "There were definitely cases there, but that wasn’t the origin of the virus."
In addition to announcing the real birthplace of the virus is still unclear, scientists have also denounced the conspiracy that the virus was man-made in Chinese labs. According to a paper published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine in March, COVID-19 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus, with the researchers concluding “we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”
Such conclusion is also backed by data from Scripps Research Institute on March 17, an American medical research facility that focuses on biomedical science. The research reiterated that COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin and no evidence shows that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.”
 

supercat

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@supercat Hey can you make the numbers into a heatmap maybe? It might look better that way :p. You can send me data so I can show u what I mean.

Also, you hear any other rumors about further additions to the numbers due to changes in criteria?

I think a simple line graph serves our purpose good enough here. No, I haven't heard any impending changes to the way data will be collected in China or the U.S. The New York metro area, however, is a big mess. That's the reason I stopped posting the chart for total cases and the data in the daily charts have one-day delay. So it's probably true that deaths in the New York metro area are under-reported, judging by how chaotic their reporting is. Basically, they change their numbers for the previous 7-14 days everyday. Unfortunately, New York metro area is not the only place that under-report deaths in the U.S. It's probably a nationwide phenomenon.

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The situation in the New York metro area:

The unusually high increase in confirmed COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths between April 6 and 7 is due to a combination of two factors:
  • A lag in reports from laboratories
  • A large transfer of hospitalization data about patients who were hospitalized before April 6
Cases:74,601
Total hospitalized*:19,177
Deaths:3,544
As of:04/07/2020, 5:00pm

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Situation in the U.S. on April 7 at 8:00 pm EDT:

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On April 7, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are a relatively large increases of new cases and new asymptomatic cases. There are 3 domestic new cases and 59 imported new cases for a total of 62 new cases. There are 35 new domestic and 102 new imported asymptomatic cases for a total of 137 new asymptomatic cases. There are 1 new domestic and 11 new imported suspected cases. There are 2 deaths nationwide. There are 77,279 cured cases and 1,190 existing cases. There is one more new existing case in Hong and Macau.

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hydrogenpi

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If they closed the border how are they still getting 59 imported new cases + 102 new imported asymptomatic cases
 

Chish

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Took good 20 years for the USA between 1930 and 1950 to do that. With the help of the 2nd WW.
China was there once, the most powerful country in the world, ignoring the outside world, she was overtaken by Britain. Then Britain was overtaken by US. Now US, America first, is in danger of being overtaken by China (economically at least). The moral of the story is, country that lives in isolation , arrogant, ignoring/dismissing others, will sooner or later be overtaken by another power. China must closely engaged with every country for mutual benefits, to stay relevant in technology, economic or politic.
 
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