Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Of course there are more mild cases than serious cases. But that doesn't matter. The difference between the average onset to recovery times for mild and serious cases means that, caeteris paribus, the proportion of current serious cases will raise when there are fewer and fewer new cases. This is exactly the reason why, for example, because women on average live longer than men, in a society where the number of newborns keep decreasing, caeteris paribus, the proportion of women in the overall population will increase. And if the number of newborns gradually reaches zero, we can expect that, caeteris paribus, one year before humanity finally goes extinct, the last surviving group of humans will have a lot more women than men.

I don't know why you're even bringing up '(existing + existed mild case)/(existing + existed serious cases)'. As I have repeated many times, I'm interested in the current trend, not in the culminated numbers. So whatever you think it's a better measure of, it's not something I'm interested in measuring.



I have said right from the beginning that my model is a simplified model and the effect in the real world will be less pronounced but nevertheless still there. Is the basic idea of a model so hard to understand? What's important for the time lag effect is that mild cases patients being discharged today were, on average, infected later than the serious cases patients being discharged, and that the number of daily new infections has been dropping. According to the WHO-China Joint Mission data, we can expect mild case patients discharged today to have onset dates around two weeks ago, and serious cases patients discharged today to have onset dates sometime between 3 to 6 weeks ago. It's not going to be exact dates as in my simplified model, so the effect won't be as pronounced as in my model, but the effect will be there. Assuming the daily numbers of new infections have been decreasing, caeteris paribus, the case resolved today contains a disportationaly large number of serious cases and one can expect the daily death-discharge ratio today to be disproportionately determined by fatality rate of the serious cases compared to the fatality rate of mild cases. So it will be an overestimation of [the fatality rate given the increased medical resources since mid-February].

3. You cannot just 'key in the data and see for yourself the actual fact'. The time lag effect will result in daily death-discharge ratios what are overestimation of the trending fatality rate. But one cannot just look at the data and 'see for oneself' whether the effect are there, since there are other factors influencing the daily death-discharge ratio. I myself have perhaps overstated the impact of the time lag effect would have on the actual numbers, but there are reasons to expect the effect will be more pronounced in the coming days. We've seen a drastic reduction on the number of new cases in the first week of March, that reduction is about to be reflected in the time lag effect in about one to one and half week's time. Note that number of new cases between Feb 20 and Feb 29 were in roughly the same range, so the time lag effect at this moment is not expected to be very pronounced anyway. Just be patient and wait.

Of course, as we cannot easily isolate the time lag effect, the actual data could only ever be suggestive, even if it goes as I've predicted. But really I think the effect is rather obvious a priori. I have tried my best to explain this effect to you, but if you don't get it, I won't keep trying.

You're serious?

I don't think you understand what I've put forth especially these 2 parts.

I think I'll stop here.


1. This is really elementary maths.
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For example, out of 80 mild cases to 20 serious cases, 8 mild cases may recover against 2 serious cases recovering, but the ratio of remaining mild cases to serious cases still remains the same. A better measure may be (existing + existed mild case)/(existing + existed serious cases). This solves the problem of variability of existing cases (more mild cases cured than normal becoming existed mild cases, or doctors deciding to keep patients with borderline mild/serious symptoms in hospitals for a longer period of time just to be on the safe side, becoming effectively serious cases.)
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I have to keep repeating myself. There won't be a concentration of serious cases. Let me try once again.

Let's say 1000 patients got admitted to hospitals in China in the past 20 days, would 200 (20% of 1000) of these patients become classified as serious cases on the same one day sometime in the future. No, of course.

The 200 serious cases would be evenly spread out in a 20 days time period sometime in the future. This gets repeated in a continuum every day, and therefore the serious cases would be spread out reasonably evenly through time among and between the shorter period milder cases (which is four times more numerous).
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localizer

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Some promising numbers from that Xinhua article posted by shanlung

As of now, except Hubei and Beijing, 1,117 closed highway entrances and exits nationwide have been opened, 549 national roads, provincial roads, county and rural roads have been opened, and 12,028 road health quarantine stations have been removed. One, smooth resumption of production and life.

Statistics show that as of March 1, 28 provinces have resumed inter-provincial road passenger transport, of which 19 provinces have resumed inter-provincial passenger routes and chartered cars. A total of 126 prefecture-level cities and 192 county-level cities have resumed ground bus operations. Of the 41 cities that have opened urban rail transit, 36 cities including Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen are operating normally.

The Party Central Committee and the State Council have clearly requested that the non-epidemic areas must comprehensively lift traffic restrictions on freight vehicles and vessels to ensure that raw materials can be brought in and products can be delivered.

Data show that on March 7, the national expressway network traffic volume was 25,847,700, a decrease of 6.32% month-on-month and an increase of 3.08% year-on-year.

Statistics show that 78 million migrant workers have returned to work, accounting for 60% of this year's Spring Festival return.
 
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Scientists agree that the coronavirus started in Wuhan when the US complains China is not letting foreigners in to know what's going on? I thought China was not transparent yet they seem to know everything that goes on in China.

So when will US be transparent and credibly investigate possible US origin for this virus and publicly publish those findings.
 

localizer

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So when will US be transparent and credibly investigate possible US origin for this virus and publicly publish those findings.


I think we enough sequencing data and China’s surveillance technology we can perhaps trace the origin of the virus.

After more testing we can figure out if the US infections might have started much earlier as well and just not detected due to low population density.

@dratsabknihcllik everyone here is tongue in cheek and joking :p, we do this all the time
 
China TOTALLY RESUMED 100% of NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION = WUHAN IS OPENED!

No More COVID Road Block! 高铁resumed!

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And China did not get the GOLD standard.
Only Singapore gotten that GOLD standard !

Let us see when will Denmark, Italy, Germany USA and rest of the world be reaching this stage, or if they ever will.
took interest because Wednesday at 10:31 PM
the point is it's not over in China (which could be what one might think by looking at most of posts in this thread):
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now to see "WUHAN IS" according to
shanlung
"OPENED"

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so shanlung
how's WUHAN OPENED according to you:


by the way how's the Pope doing, LOL
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Come on, Vesicles already explained what an ignorant idea that is, that's not even taking into account the people who have been re-infected, rest, eat healthy, take vitamins, avoid exposure, and wash your hands with soap and water....
My wife catch twice the chickenpox.
Does it means it is not possible for the 99% of population to gather immunity against chickenpox ?

It is too infectious.

But , any way , the different strategies that we can observe in Europe showing Europe in the best.

Diverse reactions, and finally everyone will copy the most successful one.
 
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