Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Red Moon

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20% are affected severely. 80% "mildly", which can include a mild form of pneumonia, as per WHO.
If 10 milllion are allowed to get infected (Boris Johnson, Angela Merkle suggest more!), then 2 million will need hospital care: doctors, nurses, ICU's, respirators, etc. No country has this capacity. The excess, among those "severe" cases, die. That's why Italy's death rate is over 6%, you see? Northern Italy has a good medical system, but it is overwhelmed... and this with "only" under 20,000 infected.

Ps.: I also mentioned that IF the proportion of infected remains low, it can be 1 or 2%, but NOT if is is uncontrolled.
 

Air Force Brat

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20% are affected severely. 80% "mildly", which can include a mild form of pneumonia, as per WHO.
If 10 milllion are allowed to get infected (Boris Johnson, Angela Merkle suggest more!), then 2 million will need hospital care: doctors, nurses, ICU's, respirators, etc. No country has this capacity. The excess, among those "severe" cases, die. That's why Italy's death rate is over 6%, you see? Northern Italy has a good medical system, but it is overwhelmed... and this with "only" under 20,000 infected.

Ps.: I also mentioned that IF the proportion of infected remains low, it can be 1 or 2%, but NOT if is is uncontrolled.

Thanks for your clarification, I though you meant that 2 million would die out of 10 million, but your 6% is still a disaster if correct, I have a hard time believing that,,, the historic death rate according to the CDC boss is around 01% which is much more realistic, particularly here in the US where we have very outstanding medical care... and lots of money and resources to fight corona
 

shanlung

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China TOTALLY RESUMED 100% of NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION = WUHAN IS OPENED!

No More COVID Road Block! 高铁resumed!

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And China did not get the GOLD standard.
Only Singapore gotten that GOLD standard !

Let us see when will Denmark, Italy, Germany USA and rest of the world be reaching this stage, or if they ever will.
 
Despite claims here that this as Communist Conspiracy Theory, The fact is
No One Really Knows the Exact Origin of the Coronavirus
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, Professor/Director Centre for Viral Zoonoses/ DST-NRF South African Research Chair,
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There has been a great deal of speculation about the source of the new coronavirus. Soon after the reports of the first cases being identified a range of theories were floated. These included reports that the virus was leaked from the laboratory at the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control. A number of renowned scientists issued
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condemning “conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin”.

Similarly, the theory that the virus originated from snakes was subsequently
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.

Misinformation like this was fuelled by early reports that suggested a link between the market, animals and the new coronavirus. But this has never been substantiated.
 
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localizer

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China TOTALLY RESUMED 100% of NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION = WUHAN IS OPENED!

No More COVID Road Block! 高铁resumed!

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And China did not get the GOLD standard.
Only Singapore gotten that GOLD standard !

Let us see when will Denmark, Italy, Germany USA and rest of the world be reaching this stage, or if they ever will.


Nice!

China is very lucky Guangzhou Shenzhen Beijing Shanghai didn’t have significant outbreaks

Now it just needs to resume manufacturing so that the world doesn’t collapse
 
Thanks for your clarification, I though you meant that 2 million would die out of 10 million, but your 6% is still a disaster if correct, I have a hard time believing that,,, the historic death rate according to the CDC boss is around 01% which is much more realistic, particularly here in the US where we have very outstanding medical care... and lots of money and resources to fight corona

1%? Sure, if the elderly are staying home, and each infected person is able to receive the necesary medical care and treatment in a timely fashion. I think in a lot of the country, people are still under the false impression that what is happening in Italy cannot possibly happen here, and the coronavirus still feels like something that is very far from home. Two weeks ago, Seattilites and New Yorkers felt the same way, but look at the situation now.
 

shanlung

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Further revelations of the country that was promenaded by the regime there as the GOLD standard in covid 19 control





So it’s official. On March 11th, the World Health Organization (WHO) called Covid-19 a
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, after global figures tipped 118,000. Over 114 countries have reported cases, and there have been more than 4,000 deaths.

Singapore’s current tally of Covid-19 cases is at 178, of which 40 (or close to a quarter) have come from the
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. We are no longer in the list of the
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hit by the virus—a fall in ranking we should celebrate. But this cluster—a February 15th Chinese New Year dinner gathering for several hundred people held at Joy Garden restaurant—has been singled out by Minister for Health Gan Kim Yong for being “
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” since several attendees were symptomatic. The first case (94) in that cluster reported symptoms on February 11th—a whole four days before the dinner. Minister Gan said somberly that they “continued to work, or carried on with their daily routine.”


In light of the sudden spike in cases directly traced to this cluster, it feels like the Safra Jurong dinner attendees committed a crime. And this is where I’m baffled.

First, our culture doesn’t inculcate social responsibility. It promotes regulation, from the top-down. So it isn’t entirely reasonable to expect Singaporeans to understand what being ‘socially responsible’ means.
Second, being seen is the bedrock of Singapore culture—must show face, must show up. You got a cold? Too bad. Attend the meeting. Make your presentation. Take notes. Clock in. Clock out. To our understanding, this is the socially responsible thing to do. This is also why we retain the draconian practice of requiring people to produce
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when they’re sick. Because Singapore work culture is rife with assumptions about the shenanigans people will get up to if they’re left to their own devices. They need to be regulated.
Third, being grateful (or perhaps more accurately, performing gratitude) is also another pillar of Singapore culture. The people who attended that dinner knew each other because they participate in activities conducted by the People’s Association (PA), and are involved with residents’ committees. Showing up, in this instance, was about demonstrating where your political allegiance lies. And it was about expressing gratitude to the government (also, freebies). To not show up would’ve had their loyalty and commitment questioned.


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Gan Kim Yong at the March 10th press conference
Let’s not blame the people at the Safra Jurong dinner. Let’s look instead at the
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posted by the Ministry of Health on February 7th, when the risk assessment level was stepped up from Dorscon Yellow to Orange.

On that day, the Ministry established that community transmission was no longer a possibility. It was a probability. But then they hit the brakes.
Instead of instituting a blanket ban on large gatherings from February 7th, they “advised” event organisers to “cancel or defer non-essential large-scale events.” They suggested using well-ventilated venues and asked organisers to “look out for respiratory symptoms”, as if understanding the subtle differences between the common cold and a largely unknown virus with an incubation period of up to three weeks, should be second nature to Singaporeans.
A day later, on February 8th, PM Lee
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Singaporeans that our “social cohesion and psychological resilience” was being tested. He ended that speech encouraging Singaporeans to “stay calm and carry on with our lives.”


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PM Lee address the nation on February 8th regarding Covid-19
In other words, the Ministry left it up to the people. And the Prime Minister asked everyone to carry on with a smile. No one was going to go against this directive. The numbers say it all:
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got on with their lives enthusiastically despite being ill, and were subsequently diagnosed with the coronavirus.

While the event organiser for the Safra Jurong dinner, Ms Liang Fengyi, has said she
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for organising the event, there has hardly been a whisper at the upper echelons of political office expressing regret about the vaguely worded directives that led to the current increase in cases.
The solution? The PA and RC members won’t be socialising anymore. All courses and activities organised by both entities
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.
It feels like a reactive approach—wait for shit to happen and then fix it. That approach hasn’t worked globally, which is why countries are now
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and implementing extreme and
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measures to contain the pandemic.
To date, there have been cautious discussions about rolling out
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in stages. Much of the “calibrated” approach relies on individuals and clusters of people exercising common sense and staying home if they’re sick in the interim.
The problem is, this won’t work in Singapore. You can’t tell people who’ve been trained to show up to suddenly exercise their own judgment and pull a no-show, or explain why they aren’t there. It’s nerve-wracking. And on some level, I suspect the government knows this. So their revised strategy feels like something that has been plucked from a book on parenting: give your child broad guidelines on being socially responsible. Watch your child fuck it up. Castigate your child for not understanding, or adhering to, the broad guidelines. Enforce black and white rules in stages, extracting emotions of contrition along the way, to avoid all-out rebellion and social collapse. Mould an obedient human being.
And while they’re sorting that out, they’ve rolled out a campaign, right on time. In this case the 1968
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campaign has been retrofitted and launched as
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. It reminds us that we’ve gone from inconsiderate littering to inconsiderate socialising, and we still don’t wash our hands properly, which could now threaten Singapore’s socio-economic stability.
So, Singaporeans: don’t become a “case” in yet another clusterfuck. Don’t wait for the government’s calibrated response to the global pandemic. The crisis is here. Stay home if you’re sick and be socially irresponsible for a change.
 
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