Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Take good care of yourself and your loved ones as best as you humanly can. Just an added personal message to you if it makes you feel better, my friends son (3x vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna) had recently been reinfected by the Covid-19 (don't know what variant we have now since the testing has been stopped in Ontario, Canada a long time ago) and he stayed home for 5 days, and then came back to his work place on the 6th day after testing negative.
I hope that the variant in China is the same elsewhere and since the population at large despite the size has been vaccinated or received 2x vaccination, most of you, including your father should be more than okay. Given that the mortality rate in the rest of the world hasn't been at catastrophic level which is a decent indication of the virus lethality which is not as deadly as the first variant up to including the delta variant.
Persistent lock downs are definitely more damaging in the long term. Eventually one has to open up again and there will be a spike of infections so will have to go through it again.
Once more people are used to opening up or get covid they will automatically be more reassure and will go out more. It's a necessary process. Same thing happened when north america opened up.
Also longer lock down increases flu and other respiratory infections as well. There's a spike in the west for flu RSV etc. More so then any other year.
Hospitals are full in North America. Children's hospital especially. Huge shortage in cold medications in Canada and US.
I would have liked china to open in summer time but I don't think it would make a big difference. It did give china extra time to review the situation around the world in the mean time and hopefully add more hospital beds. Even south east Asia is getting hit form RSV and flu when I'm the last that did not occur.
So any infection wave seems inevitable given the data. I suspect they had a plan to reopen sooner or later since they already made extra hospital beds for covid.
Again I think it's shrewd politics that they opened after protests. If anyone complains about covid deaths, they can point towards the protests to say they the people wanted reopening. Those who criticized the govt for zero covid really have no moral standing to criticize or blame the govt then for reopening from zero covid. That would just make them hypocrites.
what is the source for this statistic?
supercat
Major
The guy never heard of "excess deaths"? The death toll in the U.S. can be confirmed by counting excess deaths over the years. I guess China can do the same thing?
Current situation in China: patient with symptoms, but not necessarily COVID-19, are rushing to designated hospitals. This will overwhelm these hospitals in the next couple of weeks. However, people will eventually realize that it's not necessary to go to hospital if the symptoms are mild.
- Zhong Nanshan: the strains before Omicron caused relatively high death rates, which used to hit 4.6 percent. The Omicron variant, though highly transmissible, leads to death rate of less than 0.1 percent in some major cities
- When the wave hit Hong Kong, less than 20 percent of those aged above 60 in the city was fully vaccinated. Yet 68.86 percent of the age group in the mainland had received booster shot as of December 8.
- The official COVID-19 caseload in China has been decreasing for days since the end of last month, with 2,270 confirmed cases and 8,327 asymptomatic cases recorded on Saturday.
- Yet the number of outpatients displaying symptoms including fever has increased in hospitals nationwide.
- Nationwide, the outbreak will peak within one month, and it will take three to six months for China to weather this wave of outbreak, Caixin on Sunday quoted Zhang Wenhong, head of the infectious disease department at Huashan Hospital in Shanghai, also director of the National Center for Infectious Diseases, as saying.
- An official from NHC said that hospitals have moved quickly in recent days to increase ICU beds, more than doubling its intensive care bed capacity to 10 beds per 100,000 people, up from less than four just a month ago.
- Officials from the NHC also said on Friday that the country could redirect 106,000 doctors and 177,700 nurses to intensive care units.
FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Hospitals need to automatically turn away non-life threatening Covid cases.
It's not about what kind of data he wants, but rather a guy that doesn't believe in China's data will never believe in any form of it, as long as it doesn't match his expectations.