Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Overbom

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Its almost like if you pay attention to small details you can gasp quite well what the gov will do.
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7th of November

Chinese Economics Thread

i doubt it will get milder like the flu/cold anytime soon at least not within a year. if another 3, 5 years of zero covid, thats gonna be rough on both ppl and economy Zero Covid probably isn't going anywhere soon. China's convergence prospects will be greatly damaged by adhering to the policy...
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Lots of doom talk here. Prediction time again. 2023 Q1/Q2 zero-covid will be dropped or changed to such an extend that they will keep the name but it won't matter at the local level
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coolgod

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Phead128 said:
Isn't it currently 2000 US deaths per week, not day?

Also, 2000 US deaths per week, from 102 Million un-vaccinated adults (32% of US poulation)

China has 112 Million un-vaccinated adults (8% of Chinese population).

So it's possible China could have that amount of death rates. Which is why universal vaccination and boosting is absolutely mandatory (except for allergic/contraindicated pts), we have no clue why China waited so long to enforce universal vaccination. Truly unacceptable to wait until now.
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US doesn't do tests on most patients, after all the data fudging it is clear the current US covid death numbers are meaningless.
 
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Quan8410

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Petrolicious88 said:
Lol, please stop. What's your plan here? Pretending to be pro china (you are not doing a very good job at), while wishing china to self isolate and destroy itself.
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Name calling is not a very good way to discuss my friend. Chinese ancestors have known thousands of years that preventing foreign influences is the only way to protect the empire. Remember An Lushan? Remember the Manchurian? Do you know the great wall? The very moment Wu Sangui open the Great Wall, Ming dynasty collapsed. Better educate yourself about history first before making oblivious and insulting comments. Self isolation is not destroying itself, if China could continue expand its hard power and technology, to keep all other countries surrounding intact like they did in past. Other countries will have no choice but have to kowtow, like in the past.
 
coolgod

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I've seen numerous screenshots of weibo posts of people's family members dying due to COVID, but it seems these deaths aren't counted as COVID death in China anymore. It is very probable China is also fudging the COVID deaths numbers now.
 
supercat

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COVID related deaths in China in December: 2 on Dec. 3, none on Dec. 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
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Regarding the newly released 10-point plan:
  • Infected individuals with mild or no symptoms who meet requirement will be allowed to quarantine at home, while they still are able to choose collective quarantine.
  • Classified management: strengthening of classification and management of the health status for key population, local health workers and family doctors should act as "gatekeepers" in this respect. Communities should monitor the situation of elderly residents who have underlying disease such as cerebrovascular diseases, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, diabetes, or tumors as part of classified management.
  • Arbitrary expansion of high-risk areas is prohibited. High risk areas should be designated by buildings, units, floors and households, instead of residential compounds, communities and subdistrict (towns and townships).
  • Quarantine measures imposed on high-risk areas must be lifted if no new infections are reported for five consecutive days.
  • Schools reporting no COVID-19 cases should function normally, and those affected by the epidemic should precisely designate risk areas and ensure normal functioning in unaffected areas.
  • People will not be subjected to mass testing according to administrative regions, and the scope and frequency of testing will be further reduced.
  • Outside of designated locations which include nursing homes, welfare homes, medical institutions, childcare facilities, and primary and secondary schools, negative nucleic acid test results will no longer be required, and health codes will not be checked.
  • The nucleic acid test results and health codes will no longer be checked for domestic cross-regional travel. Similar checks for travelers upon arrival are also revoked.
  • Vaccination efforts should be ramped up among the elderly, with a focus on improving the vaccination rate among people aged between 60 and 79. The vaccination rate among people aged 80 and older should be also accelerated. Vaccination services will be optimized by setting up special channels and temporary vaccination sites, and deploying mobile vaccination vehicles
  • The new measures are not a signal of full relaxation amid the ongoing COVID epidemic, but to allocate resources to the places in most needed.
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The last point is very important. I do not think China can fully reopen before the virulence of the virus is substantially attenuated. Another thing is that I don't see a mask mandate anywhere. About the four newly approved vaccines: 3 are recombinant protein-based and the other is a nasal-spray vaccine using an influenza virus vector.
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KYli

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coolgod said:
I've seen numerous screenshots of weibo posts of people's family members dying due to COVID, but it seems these deaths aren't counted as COVID death in China anymore. It is very probable China is also fudging the COVID deaths numbers now.
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Firstly, I won't take weibo as the source of information. The same weibo was demanding relaxing covid restrictions at all cost just a few days ago.

Secondly, unless the patients deaths are directly due to respiratory illness causes by covid. Most deaths with covid would need to be classified. Given what happened in Shanghai, I would say it would take sometime before these cases would be reported as covid related or other causes.

Lastly, I won't rule out local government would delay reporting covid deaths to alleviate panic and then add them back later such as what they have done in Shanghai. They can always say it takes time to classify the cause of deaths.
 
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Petrolicious88

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coolgod said:
I've seen numerous screenshots of weibo posts of people's family members dying due to COVID, but it seems these deaths aren't counted as COVID death in China anymore. It is very probable China is also fudging the COVID deaths numbers now.
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Even if there’s lots of Covid death this winter season, we may never know. China can choose to report the as death from influenza instead.
 
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