Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Sleepyjam]

Did Chinese gov provide financial assistance or jobs，for those who are affected by lockdown？Yes or no？

Just to name a few

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[Sleepyjam]

I think china has lost some time in unnecessary things like daily PCR test instead of vaccinating everybody atleast 3 times even those who doesn't want a vaccine. The only way you can deal with the virus is that either you are heathy and have natural immunity against it or you got high immunity due to vaccination and the last is herd immunity ( which I think haven't achieved in china because of frequent lockdown & less public gathering).

Even if you do PCR test and isolate the infacted ones ,it only takes one or two cases and those who don't have immunity will get infected rapidly and within few days you would have several thousands of Inflected people.

Vaccination isn’t immunity you can still catch and spread the virus and it wanes over time as does natural immunity. So herd immunity doesn’t really work either.

 

[Sleepyjam]

Then let's say if new omicron variant comes in 2024 then would you still keep lockdown till that time because all new variant seems like it can infect people easily & spread quickly.
If china can keep lockdown for over a year more than tell me how they're going to convince protestors ,it is going to big asset for CIA because then they can build long term plan or use these protestors to defy lockdown & create mass movement to subvert the state.

Problem is that if people doesn't support you then you might end up seeing what is happening in Iran also in china and western media is always want to get news to portray china as bad place or even come with new laws to sanction china just like how West imposed certain sanction on china for cracking down on 1989 democracy protest.

China should do crackdown immediately and also assure people to relax covid measure and Chinese government should also take measures what if they don't end the protest or if they did then how to deal with new situations & if Washington is going to impose another kind of sanction on china too because now USA has one reason to further contain or suppress china from moral perspective of democracy & freedom protest.

It’s not 1 or 0. Vaccination masks and other measures(outside of lockdowns) don't stop the virus but they certainly help a lot in terms of slowing and degrading the severity. I think a long term strategy is maybe a yearly vaccination similar to the flu.

 

[Overseaschinese]

Sure you do. Curious how my relatives who work in the hospital as nurses and doctors have a completely opposite story to you.

And yea, I don't eat outside, I work from home and I don't meet friends and family in person. If you don't want to make any sacrifice on your part for the health of others, go ahead. Selfishness is the national culture so it's just par for the course and I don't expect anything different. It would be one thing if you were arguing about non-remotable jobs and lack of subsidies.

But pretending COVID has gone away or that it's just a flu is how I know you're just a grifter.

I was exactly like you at the beginning, I prevent to meet family and friends. I was quite happy with the no COVID politic in Taiwan and China. I was really proud of it, when someone asked me about the situation in China. I said no COVID in China.

But after 3 years and 3 Lockdowns I change my mind. I'm sick of it. I always took care of my parents, but at the end they get COVID before me.
Still haven't a clue how they get, because they stay only at home and we brought them every week food.
Since then I still haven't COVID. I wear mask in public transportation if I have to use it, but usually I use my own car. When I see someone coughing I keep the distance. If I have a family gathering, then I take the COVID test voluntarily, by self-payment. Means I'm not totally careless.

If the world want COVID get vanished, then the whole world must stay together and go in Lockdown all of the same period of time, but if only China wants to keep it. It could always comes back, due the illegal immigrants at the borders.

 

[henrik]

I was exactly like you at the beginning, I prevent to meet family and friends. I was quite happy with the no COVID politic in Taiwan and China. I was really proud of it, when someone asked me about the situation in China. I said no COVID in China.

But after 3 years and 3 Lockdowns I change my mind. I'm sick of it. I always took care of my parents, but at the end they get COVID before me.
Still haven't a clue how they get, because they stay only at home and we brought them every week food.
Since then I still haven't COVID. I wear mask in public transportation if I have to use it, but usually I use my own car. When I see someone coughing I keep the distance. If I have a family gathering, then I take the COVID test voluntarily, by self-payment. Means I'm not totally careless.

If the world want COVID get vanished, then the whole world must stay together and go in Lockdown all of the same period of time, but if only China wants to keep it. It could always comes back, due the illegal immigrants at the borders.

The government should administer local mRNA vaccines which can increase anti-bodies faster.

 

[tankphobia]

It’s not 1 or 0. Vaccination masks and other measures(outside of lockdowns) don't stop the virus but they certainly help a lot in terms of slowing and degrading the severity. I think a long term strategy is maybe a yearly vaccination similar to the flu.

3 years in China couldn't get its elderly to take the vax, what makes you think they will accept a yearly shot?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The government should administer local mRNA vaccines which can increase anti-bodies faster.

US deaths in 2021 exceeded those in 2020 yet US had mRNA shots in December 2020 already. Going by the evidence mRNA doesn't seem to be effective. So yes, take them if available, but other vaccines are proven to reduce risk of severe outcomes in real world applications.

 

[abc123]

We have already seen every country that had opened up fully had skyrocketing cases, China can no longer be the unicorn amongst a host of countries, as hard as it tried. It's just that the rest of the world gave up too early for Covid to not come back.

Come on, China now has about 40 000 cases daily, and my country on the height of epydemics had about 15 000 cases. And China has probably about 350x more inhabitants than my country. And we didn't die alltogether. On the contrary, there are no restriction whatsoever here now, and the number of cases is minuscule.

 

[tankphobia]

Come on, China now has about 40 000 cases daily, and my country on the height of epydemics had about 15 000 cases. And China has probably about 350x more inhabitants than my country. And we didn't die alltogether. On the contrary, there are no restriction whatsoever here now, and the number of cases is minuscule.

I'm not under doom and gloom, just that if China can't get a handle on the virus in 2 months, when it comes time for the great Chinese new year migration there won't be a way to stop millions of cases from occuring. Or equally worse social unrest generated from village distrust of city goers as we've seen earlier in the pandemic.

We need to temper expectation of what China can realistically do against something that's akin to a force of nature at this point. Not everyone in China is well off enough that they can live under strict covid restrictions forever.

 

[abc123]

along with testing, build more ICU, boost vaccination rate, masking in public etc to reduce the chance of dying due to covid. Long term zero covid not only bad for economy, but social life as well. The longer its in place, the more protest will happen, its not sustainable.

This.