Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

measuredingabens

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I think the stance of a lot of the people in this thread isn't no reopening so much as a gradual easing of restrictions as opposed to just letting it rip. Keeping case numbers at a manageable level for both hospitals and businesses is arguably the most important point as an overflow of cases will slow down the economy regardless. Nevertheless, the path forward is still difficult whichever direction China's government chooses. Vaccine hesitancy among the elderly has to be overcome, and there aren't any easy ways to go about that. Medical facilities and infrastructure also need to be expanded as much as possible alongside the sufficient numbers of healthcare professionals to man them, and that takes time. China's domestic mRNA vaccine capacity still needs ramping up as well. Until these issues are overcome a full reopening will likely do more harm than good.
 

tonyget

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I agree with you. People opposing Zero covid are snowflakes or hanjian. China should ban in-restaurant meals, ban offline grocery stor and malls, ban public transportation. Lockdown every individual buildings, every worker cannot leave their workplace, no people allowed in street (let alone watching world cup in bars like Shanghai). Don't broadcast anything when people do not wear mask. Even ban people talking with each other if needed even between family members. The cases now is so high and the government still experimenting with "optimized" measures. Zero covid is the only way to go and anyone dare to question it, crush them. Purge incompetent people like Li Qiang to warn every politicians that messing up Covid is killing your career.

Sure,you can ban anything you want to,the question is:for how long?As long as the virus still exists?If that is the case,then I bet the virus will outlast anyone in China
 

tonyget

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What is the big deal? Not eating outside is perfectly fine for most people. Even before pandemic, eating outside most often is troublesome. What do friends and families to do with this, meeting friends and families are perfectly fine and being cautious about covid would further protect them from virus. As for work, it really depends upon you and your job.

Do you know how many people employed by restaurant sector in China?Ten's of millions. I don't hear the government providing new jobs for these people,do you?It seems to me that the government originally assumed lockdowns will be quick and one off,and these people can go back to work once everything is over. You can criticize Western gov's response to covid all you want,but they at least provided financial assistance to citizens during lockdown period,the Chinese gov to my knowledge did not. How long do you think these people can survive without job or gov relief?
 

manqiangrexue

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Do you know how many people employed by restaurant sector in China?Ten's of millions. I don't hear the government providing new jobs for these people,do you?It seems to me that the government originally assumed lockdowns will be quick and one off,and these people can go back to work once everything is over. You can criticize Western gov's response to covid all you want,but they at least provided financial assistance to citizens during lockdown period,the Chinese gov to my knowledge did not. How long do you think these people can survive without job or gov relief?
Different approach. The US can't control the economy. Recession, inflation, so they print money and hand out checks. China instead keeps the economy growing. America's the one throwing food scraps to starving people on barren land; China's the one making the land fertile so they can farm.
 

zgx09t

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Do you know how many people employed by restaurant sector in China?Ten's of millions. I don't hear the government providing new jobs for these people,do you?It seems to me that the government originally assumed lockdowns will be quick and one off,and these people can go back to work once everything is over. You can criticize Western gov's response to covid all you want,but they at least provided financial assistance to citizens during lockdown period,the Chinese gov to my knowledge did not. How long do you think these people can survive without job or gov relief?
The mood on the streets is Chinese problems would be solved by Chinese only, not by outsiders or organizers. The sense of one nation is very strong, and cost of livings are coming down as we speak, health care, child care, etc,. Chinese know their own local problems, and they want to solve whatever that is among Chinese themselves. That's the gist.
 

tonyget

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Different approach. The US can't control the economy. Recession, inflation, so they print money and hand out checks. China instead keeps the economy growing. America's the one throwing food scraps to starving people on barren land; China's the one making the land fertile so they can farm.

Did Chinese gov provide financial assistance or jobs,for those who are affected by lockdown?Yes or no?
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I mean millions of people die already and virus still lethal enough to kill millions more. Anything before 2027 is distance dream. China should prepare to fight this battle as long as possible, even if people outside China all die from it. Devote all heart and minds, devote all resources and surely China will win. It's a Long March and Chairman Mao will bless us all.
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tankphobia

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While letting it rip and opening fully right now is definitely out of the question, is re-opening slowly really going to help with this current situation? No matter what China do there will be a rapid increase in cases the moment people are allowed to transit between cities without restriction, it is no longer a question of if, but when. Compared to the rest of the world Chinese cities have high density and high usage of public transport which will contribute to the rise, we've already seen that normal surgical masks are nowhere near enough to stop the virus.

There's no real way to avoid millions of infected at this point, unless full lockdown is once again enacted which I think would be politically infeasible. We have already seen every country that had opened up fully had skyrocketing cases, China can no longer be the unicorn amongst a host of countries, as hard as it tried. It's just that the rest of the world gave up too early for Covid to not come back.
 
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