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zgx09t

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No policy changes, but smarter implementations aka more thinking process needed to apply it.
Do what is necessary, but no more than that. So local officials would need to go back to drawing board to figure it out what exactly is needed to handle it, aka read the damn question first before you answer it, not one size fits all cookie cutter solutions.


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zhangjim

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No policy changes, but smarter implementations aka more thinking process needed to apply it.
Do what is necessary, but no more than that. So local officials would need to go back to drawing board to figure it out what exactly is needed to handle it, aka read the damn question first before you answer it, not one size fits all cookie cutter solutions.


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Here are some details where they criticize some of the wrong practices in individual districts, including my city.

They have been accused of wrongdoing such as charging people in isolation, arbitrarily extending restrictions on movement, and blockading cities.
Ironically, my city has only had single-digit infections in the past 20 days(based on public pronouncements), but the number of infections rose rapidly after the State Department criticized it on Nov. 5.
 

Gogurt4ever

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How would you guys feel about the idea of importing mRNA vaccines, mandatory vaccination of vulnerable groups, and then phasing out Zero Covid? I personally think that Zero Covid worked really well in 2020 and 2021: both in terms of lives lost and economic fallout (China grew at about twice the rate of the US from 2020-2022) it was a success, but the new variants are simply spreading too easily, which necessitates constant lockdowns that are causing economic and social trouble.

I suppose I'm struggling to see what the path forward is here.
 

Biscuits

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How would you guys feel about the idea of importing mRNA vaccines, mandatory vaccination of vulnerable groups, and then phasing out Zero Covid? I personally think that Zero Covid worked really well in 2020 and 2021: both in terms of lives lost and economic fallout (China grew at about twice the rate of the US from 2020-2022) it was a success, but the new variants are simply spreading too easily, which necessitates constant lockdowns that are causing economic and social trouble.

I suppose I'm struggling to see what the path forward is here.
Why import vaccines that are worse than current ones?

Now when Covid season is starting, it's bad timing to open up. Just waiting to spring or summer 2023, making sure everyone has the most updated vaccines, including possibly making vaccine mandate for risk groups, and the situation will likely be over right then and there.

Chinese hospitals can use the wealth of foreign experience at treating dangerous covid cases, greatly reducing mortality.

As long as the current inflation + recession situation in NATO economies doesn't get better, opening up doesn't necessarily give good economic results. It's not like nations with 15% inflation and recession will be lining up tourists to visit China or ordering big ticket items en masse.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Why import vaccines that are worse than current ones?

Now when Covid season is starting, it's bad timing to open up. Just waiting to spring or summer 2023, making sure everyone has the most updated vaccines, including possibly making vaccine mandate for risk groups, and the situation will likely be over right then and there.

Chinese hospitals can use the wealth of foreign experience at treating dangerous covid cases, greatly reducing mortality.

As long as the current inflation + recession situation in NATO economies doesn't get better, opening up doesn't necessarily give good economic results. It's not like nations with 15% inflation and recession will be lining up tourists to visit China or ordering big ticket items en masse.
Agree. They need to force everyone to vaccinate. Then open up Singapore style.
 

Gogurt4ever

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Why import vaccines that are worse than current ones?

Now when Covid season is starting, it's bad timing to open up. Just waiting to spring or summer 2023, making sure everyone has the most updated vaccines, including possibly making vaccine mandate for risk groups, and the situation will likely be over right then and there.

Chinese hospitals can use the wealth of foreign experience at treating dangerous covid cases, greatly reducing mortality.

As long as the current inflation + recession situation in NATO economies doesn't get better, opening up doesn't necessarily give good economic results. It's not like nations with 15% inflation and recession will be lining up tourists to visit China or ordering big ticket items en masse.
That sounds like a sensible strategy, although ICU capacity would also have to be expanded, which China is certainly capable of. What makes you say that imported vaccines are worse than current ones? I was under the impression that vaccines such as Sinovac aren't ideal if they're not combined with a third dose of BioNTech, for example. The Chinese mRNA will still take a while before it's widely available.
 

Petrolicious88

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Why import vaccines that are worse than current ones?

Now when Covid season is starting, it's bad timing to open up. Just waiting to spring or summer 2023, making sure everyone has the most updated vaccines, including possibly making vaccine mandate for risk groups, and the situation will likely be over right then and there.

Chinese hospitals can use the wealth of foreign experience at treating dangerous covid cases, greatly reducing mortality.

As long as the current inflation + recession situation in NATO economies doesn't get better, opening up doesn't necessarily give good economic results. It's not like nations with 15% inflation and recession will be lining up tourists to visit China or ordering big ticket items en masse.
They can force vaccination now. Why wait until next summer. Does it make a difference… as no vaccine now or in the future will be 100% bullet proof. Certain subsets of the population will get sick regardless. But we have seen past lockdowns due to just a handful of infections.
 
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