Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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KYli said:
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本土病例60例 new symptomatic cases (Inner Mongolia 内蒙古15例 and 北京42例 and Shanghai 上海3例)
本土67例 new asymptomatic cases (Beijing 北京32例 and Inner Mongolia 内蒙古9例 and Shanghai 上海14例)
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All the cases in Beijing came from that one bloody bar.
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From what I read, the outbreak originated from a single infected twat that didn't get tested for 14 days and managed to slip into the bar, but the person owning the establishment is partially at fault here for not having proper air ventilation and sterilization, and proper security checks for negative test.
 
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A lot of people in this thread said China needs to step up it's vaccination rate, both in general and among the elderly, some even go as far as saying mandatory vaccination should be implemented. So I was under the impression that China's vaccination rate lags behind a lot of major countries.

Today I checked on the map of vaccination rate, damn~~ I was surprised. 89.1% of Chinese are fully vaccinated, higher than all the countries that I checked on the map, the closest one I found was Portugal's 86%, but in actuality, only 8 countries have higher vaccination rates than China. Also, I remember seeing news several days ago that more than 82% of Chinese aged 60 or above have been fully vaccinated, which is higher than the vaccination rates of most of advanced economies even among their general populations.

So, is it safe to say that China's underperformance is actually exemplary work if put into the perspective of interntional communities???

On one hand, I am really happy, as a Chinese, that the Chinese government is quite competent in this regard. But on the other hand, seeing the abysmal numbers of the advanced economies, I feel conflicted to reaffirm my belief that the world is really in a cesspool in which countries are comparing who sucks the least:oops:.
 
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In general, Chinese vaccination rate is pretty good. The issue is China doesn't have any natural immunity. And in many other countries those most vulnerable have already succumbed to covid in multiple previous waves. That's why both Hong Kong and Taiwan have so many mortality when covid hits them.

Another thing is even though those between 60 to 79 have pretty high vaccination. Many Chinese elderly who are over 80 years have not vaccinated. Vaccination rate for people over 80 is still less than 60% a few weeks ago. These people are most vulnerable and could easily overwhelm hospitals.
 
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KYli said:
In general, Chinese vaccination rate is pretty good. The issue is China doesn't have any natural immunity. And in many other countries those most vulnerable have already succumbed to covid in multiple previous waves. That's why both Hong Kong and Taiwan have so many mortality when covid hits them.

Another thing is even though those between 60 to 79 have pretty high vaccination. Many Chinese elderly who are over 80 years have not vaccinated. Vaccination rate for people over 80 is still less than 60% a few weeks ago. These people are most vulnerable and could easily overwhelm hospitals.
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What do you think is the reason for low vaccination rate for people over 80?

Based on my experience, I guess a major factor is the health conditions of those over 80. The body of people over 80 are pretty fragile, I assume it would be a huge decision to make for family members to vaccinate their elders. No matter how small the risks the vaccine poses to its recipient, no risk is too small for people over 80, they are just too fragile. It also doesn't help that a lot of them have major pre-existing conditions. I think their rationale is that since the government is implementing the zero-covid policy pretty well, there is low risk of contacting coronavirus, so they would prefer not taking the risk, however small, of vaccination.
 
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InfamousMeow said:
What do you think is the reason for low vaccination rate for people over 80?

Based on my experience, I guess a major factor is the health conditions of those over 80. The body of people over 80 are pretty fragile, I assume it would be a huge decision to make for family members to vaccinate their elders. No matter how small the risks the vaccine poses to its recipient, no risk is too small for people over 80, they are just too fragile. It also doesn't help that a lot of them have major pre-existing conditions. I think their rationale is that since the government is implementing the zero-covid policy pretty well, there is low risk of contacting coronavirus, so they would prefer not taking the risk, however small, of vaccination.
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I would say there are multiple reasons why people over 80s don't want to vaccinate.

1. People over 80 tend to be less active and feel relative safe if they don't go out a lot. In addition, China's success in containing covid has given them a false sense of security. So they don't feel the urgency to vaccinate. And like you said, why should they take a small risk of vaccination when they feel relative safe.

2. When you reach 80, you most likely have many pre-existing conditions. Many hospitals especially a few months ago would turn away such elderly from vaccination because doctors and nurses don't want to take the risks for vaccinating people with high blood pressure or other complications. Doctors don't want to face workplace violence if the elderly passed away shortly after vaccination which isn't uncommon for people with existing conditions and over 80. Even if elderly dies isn't due to vaccination, family and relatives might still blame doctors.

3. Procrastination and misinformation. Even though China has been relatively successful in fighting misinformation but misinformation is still rampant and many elderly just want to wait or fear of vaccination. In addition, many elderly felt that they could wait before covid flare up then vaccination. They think they are being smart by delaying vaccination.

4. Mobility, many elderly have difficulty to leave their homes and their families might not be around to help. Which is the reason why many Chinese cities are offering in home vaccination or transports for such people.

5. Incentives and motivation, many elderly just don't have the incentives to vaccinate. If their children don't advocate for vaccination, many just wait. Hong Kong has the same problem before the fifth wave. After the fifth wave and the deaths of 9000 people, many elderly finally took actions and vaccinated. Fear is the most powerful motivation for vaccination.
 
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I'm surprise that Bars are still allowed to operate after the recent outbreak.
Shouldn't bar restrictions be a higher priority instead of suspending sporting events and classes?

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I have at this point, accepted that most of the local government in China have weird priorities and planning. But if I were to guess why, sports event has a higher density of people thus more people that can get infected compared to bars, and schools can be done through online classes.
 
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Coalescence said:
I have at this point, accepted that most of the local government in China have weird priorities and planning. But if I were to guess why, sports event has a higher density of people thus more people that can get infected compared to bars, and schools can be done through online classes.
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bars are often crowded small enclosure with rowdy customers in close contact. It is also a non-essential service that can be held at more controlled and private setting when needed. So not understanding the priority.
 
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