Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Phead128]

People in China don’t trust mRNA vaccines, they are not stupid

I'm talking about indigenous domestic mRNA, not Western mRNA vaccines.

Just saying: "COVID isn't that bad, let's stop lockdowns" won't fundamentally change the population mentality, you need to introduce a new drug or new vaccine to justify stopping the lockdowns. There is no promising indigenous antiviral on the horizon... but many promising domestic indigenous mRNA vaccines.

 

[vincent]

I'm talking about indigenous domestic mRNA, not Western mRNA vaccines.

Just saying: "COVID isn't that bad, let's stop lockdowns" won't fundamentally change the population mentality, you need to introduce a new drug or new vaccine to justify stopping the lockdowns. There is no promising indigenous antiviral on the horizon... but many promising domestic indigenous mRNA vaccines.

Domestic or not, there are plenty of Chinese news reports on the negative effects of mRNA vaccines. Don’t treat people as fools

 

[Phead128]

There are plenty of Chinese news reports on the negative effects of Western mRNA vaccines.

Fixed that for you.

Don’t treat people as fools

Don't treat the CCP as fool because the CCP invested ¥ Billions into domestic R&D via Abogen, Walvax, Everest to get domestic indigenous mRNA.

 

[Rettam Stacf]

I could totally see Chinese gov't relaxing controls after indigenous domestic mRNA vaccines have emergency approvals with short-term RCT trials in humans. There is nothing else really on the horizon that would "trigger" the paradigm shift in mentality in the Chinese population unless it's a new vaccine-type or new antiviral drug. Merely saying: "it's not that bad, let's going back to normal" isn't enough, it has to be a new drug or vaccine introduced to justify a fundamental shift in population attitude.

The widespread availability of mRMA vaccines in the western countries did not solve their infection problem. I hope the Chinese population is not so gullible and western worshiping to see mRMA vaccine as the silver bullet.

However, I do agree with your on the part about anti viral drugs since it is still fairly new. But do take note that there are increasing concern about Pfizer's Paxlovid, which the Western MSM hailed it as the new holy grail, just like what they did with mRMA vaccines until reality set in.

 

[Coalescence]

The widespread availability of mRMA vaccines in the western countries did not solve their infection problem. I hope the Chinese population is not so gullible and western worshiping to see mRMA vaccine as the silver bullet.

However, I do agree with your on the part about anti viral drugs since it is still fairly new. But do take note that there are increasing concern about Pfizer's Paxlovid, which the Western MSM hailed it as the new holy grail, just like what they did with mRMA vaccine until reality set in.

I don't think mRNA is worshipped as a silver bullet by the majority in China, but mRNA does help speed up the development and creation of vaccines, which will be needed to deal with this ever-evolving threat. But what would be more useful is developing a single shot vaccine for the Elderly who are hard to convince in taking the shot thrice.

From what I read, Paxlovid has a 30% rebound rate, which is not good when we're trying to cut the transmission rate, but its still useful for treating severe cases, just need to monitor them longer to see if the infection rebounds.

 

[Phead128]

I hope the Chinese population is not so gullible and western worshiping to see mRMA vaccine as the silver bullet.

Definitely 100% agree. It's no silver bullet even at 100% compliance with 100% efficacy, since new variants will outrun it everytime. That wasn't my point... It was more the psychological tool to trigger a paradigm shift away from lockdown mentality to eventually living it as endemic seasonal virus...

 

[Rettam Stacf]

Fixed that for you.

Don't treat the CCP as fool because the CCP invested ¥ Billions into domestic R&D via Abogen, Walvax, Everest to get domestic indigenous mRNA.

The Chinese government and commercial companies invested in mRMA primarily for the technology and potential applications in other diseases, like certain form of cancer and heart disease for example, in which no good treatment solution exist today. There are many alternate technology for Covid-19 vaccines available that are just as effective, and good treatment solutions available on the horizon.

 

[vincent]

I don't think mRNA is worshipped as a silver bullet by the majority in China, but mRNA does help speed up the development and creation of vaccines, which will be needed to deal with this ever-evolving threat.

Majority of the time spent on vaccine development is testing. The quickest vaccine development in history before COVID is the MMR vaccine (inactivated) and it took four years. Creating vaccines don’t take long, but proving them have no negative health effects, both short-term and long-term, plus the efficacy takes most of the development time.

 

[vincent]

Fixed that for you.

Don't treat the CCP as fool because the CCP invested ¥ Billions into domestic R&D via Abogen, Walvax, Everest to get domestic indigenous mRNA.

Has the Chinese government allow any of them in the domestic market?

 

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