Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

tokenanalyst

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Looks like what CPC fears is not the number of deaths, but the fact that people will realize (and be outraged) that it was all much ado about nothing. When they find that 99% of the people survive and the only people who die were already on their way out anyway and would have died from a regular cold.
lets use your own numbers. 99% that is a lot of survivals, only 1% that looks like nothing in a virus that spread like measles, so is possible that will infect like 50-70% of the population in months.
1400 billion * 60% = 840 million infected
840 * 1% = 8.4 million deaths in a few months. In you own words you say you don't care if 8 million people die unnecessary because "they are gonna die anyway", a grandfather, a grandmother, a father, husband, a mother, a wife, a scientist, a son, a daughter, a kid or even babies.

Even that your numbers are wrong, the death rate is even lower 0.3% to 0.1%, even that lets see how many deaths.
840* 0.2%-0.05% = 1.68 millions in the high and 0.42 millions at minimum in just a few months, that will be overwhelming for the Chinese healthcare system. You know who they are gonna to held responsible for those deaths, specially the f*cking Western corporate media, we all know who: Xi and the Chinese Government. And you know it.
If you cast a vote in China about "living with COVID" and "Zero COVID most people will vote for "Living with COVID" but when Hospital stop taking patients because they are overwhelm, start doing triage, crematoriums start to filling with bodies and panics set in because the f*cking news, they will blame the Chinese government for allow them to vote in a such critical issue. The Chinese government is held at more higher standard by the public than most Western governments.
If the Chinese decide to abandon their zero strategy, they will have to censor the crap of the outbreak, crack down heavily on whistleblowers and create a sense of normalcy in the economy by even allowing companies to force their employees to work sick. They decide.​
 

Overbom

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Looks like what CPC fears is not the number of deaths, but the fact that people will realize (and be outraged) that it was all much ado about nothing. When they find that 99% of the people survive and the only people who die were already on their way out anyway and would have died from a regular cold.
Troll. Don't use my posts to spread your vile opinion
 

TheFoozyOne

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Looks like what CPC fears is not the number of deaths, but the fact that people will realize (and be outraged) that it was all much ado about nothing. When they find that 99% of the people survive and the only people who die were already on their way out anyway and would have died from a regular cold.
When prevention is done too well, then it always seems to be “much ado about nothing” and ignorant people start questioning the purpose of such prevention.

For two years, China has kept covid under control. If it was let loose since the beginning, China would have at least 4 million covid deaths by now (based on US death rate), and who knows how many indirect deaths from collapsed healthcare system.

Some Chinese people lived in the comfort for too long and never realized how much damage covid can actually do. When faced with immediate drawbacks of lockdown (mainly economic woes), the potential benefits which they can never witness are not enough (because the absence of something is hard to witness). To me they are selfish and short-sighted. Perhaps Shanghai with its capitalist society simply have more of these selfish people and that’s why they whine so much on the internet.
 

OppositeDay

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The most striking part about the readout from the PBSC meeting is the ideological component. The Covid-19 response is said to be determined by the nature of the CPC. So the justification is partially ideological. Hu Xijin's deleted commentary ends with a call to safeguard the lifeline of "seeking truth from facts" - the famous post-Cultural Revolution anti-ideology slogan. Even Hu Xijin, a centralist or central-left, is seeing the need to defend pragmaticism. This is all very troubling.
 

SanWenYu

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The most striking part about the readout from the PBSC meeting is the ideological component. The Covid-19 response is said to be determined by the nature of the CPC. So the justification is partially ideological. Hu Xijin's deleted commentary ends with a call to safeguard the lifeline of "seeking truth from facts" - the famous post-Cultural Revolution anti-ideology slogan. Even Hu Xijin, a centralist or central-left, is seeing the need to defend pragmaticism. This is all very troubling.

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, this is the justification for the dynamic zero policy:

会议强调,目前全球疫情仍处于高位,病毒还在不断变异,疫情的最终走向还存在很大不确定性,远没有到可以松口气、歇歇脚的时候。我国是人口大国,老龄人口多,地区发展不平衡,医疗资源总量不足,放松防控势必造成大规模人群感染、出现大量重症和病亡,经济社会发展和人民生命安全、身体健康将受到严重影响。

It sounds very realistic and pragmatic to me. Can you point out the part of it that is "ideological"?

As for "Covid-19 response is said to be determined by the nature of the CPC", where did you get that in the readout?
 

OppositeDay

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, this is the justification for the dynamic zero policy:



It sounds very realistic and pragmatic to me. Can you point out the part of it that is "ideological"?

As for "Covid-19 response is said to be determined by the nature of the CPC", where did you get that in the readout?

"实践证明,我们的防控方针是由党的性质和宗旨决定的"

"Experiences proved our Covid response was determined by the nature and principles of the party."
 

Nutrient

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Even Hu Xijin is now saying if Beijing can't control COVID without strict lockdown, then China should just give up zero COVID.
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Guancha just deleted Hu's commentary.
I can see why.

(1) Why didn't Hu Xijin have the courage to publish his article in Global Times, his own site?

(2) In his article, Hu wrote something like "Shanghai has lost, and that Beijing is Covid Zero's last stand". Well, recent data says Shanghai has not lost. Shanghai appears to be winning. Covid Zero is winning.

(3) So Hu asked Guancha to delete his embarassing article.

Something like this happens all the time.
 

Temstar

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I can see why.

(1) Why didn't Hu Xijin have the courage to publish his article in Global Times, his own site?

(2) In his article, Hu wrote something like "Shanghai has lost, and that Beijing is Covid Zero's last stand". Well, recent data says Shanghai has not lost. Shanghai appears to be winning. Covid Zero is winning.

(3) So Hu asked Guancha to delete his embarassing article.

Something like this happens all the time.
He's nickname wouldn't be "胡编" or "老胡中肯" if he didn't do things like this every now and then.
 
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