Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Phoenix_Rising]

Francch government orders to seize all N95-level masks, existing and newly-made, from now to May 31.
German and Russia banned export of medical equipments, only those for humanitarian aid and individual's own use are allowed to leave custom.

 

[PeoplesPoster]

What about now for the domestic use? You mean to tell me there's not a single mask left?

Very few. Annecdotal evidence of course, but here in Texas I went to buy some masks for wood working a few weeks back and all the Walmarts, home depots, Lowe's etc were sold out of N95 masks and masks in general. I saw several people wandering around the isle looking for them as well.

 

[shanlung]

China is able to control COVID-19 more sucessfully is because of SPEED. The ability to trace virus movements in realtime and react immediately, thus the use of AI and deep data and mobil phones. The West use to trace terrorists the same way.

This is the kind of speed and accuracy of China.
In the early days when things where fuzzy and not clear yet.

And yet China moved so fast and moved so well.

Contrast that to the shambles we seen demonstrated in the West by Angmohs.
With talks of turning Hyde Park into a mortuary instead of planning for more beds and hospitals.
And the craziness of USA fumbling about with test kits despite the early and many warnings of China to be ready.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10158078515148421&id=538743420

Muricans and angmohs been roasting China for being slow and useless and fumbling in the containment of covid19 in early stages. Considering the unknowns at that time, China was truly amazing in the speed and effectiveness of their responses. See and judge for yourself. Especially now when we see how much fumbling and utter chaos of ang mohs in their handling despite the advance and many early warnings China gave to them.

 

[Quickie]

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Just came across this research paper. From my layman's understanding, they seem to be saying that the virus may not have originated in Wuhan, and may in fact have come from elsewhere, and was already circulating widely among humans in Wuhan in December 2019.

Anyone with greater expertise in this area care to comment?

The Chief of China's COVID-19 expert team was saying during a press conference the virus may not have been originated from China.

 

[hydrogenpi]

The Chief of China's COVID-19 expert team was saying during a press conference the virus may not have been originated from China.

Yes, its likely the US had it first, the less lethal S-COV strain and may have bought it to Wuhan via infected soldiers as part of World Military Games in Wuhan, China. The timeline would be consistent and it comports with the discover that in Wuhan it mutated to the more deadly L-COV strain, which consists of 70% out of all the strains in Wuhan.

This wouldnt be surprising given it didnt come from the wet market nor the Wuhan BSL4 labs. Plus the US had an unusual amount of flu death this year, and now they are saying Seattle had been spreading it for more than six weeks or earlier..... and could explain why CDC send all those failed and flawwed test kits

Recall this is how the Spanish flu got started... the parallels errily similiar. Hint, it did not start in Spain

 

[solarz]

The Chief of China's COVID-19 expert team was saying during a press conference the virus may not have been originated from China.

Sounds like it's official!

 

[vesicles]

You phrase it as if people who wore masks are not also washing their hands..

Well, wearing a face mask often gives people a false sense of security. "I'm wearing a mask, I can go anywhere and do anything ok". Many often fail to do any other measures, including washing their hands, while wearing a face mask.

Well how difficult is that? 5 mins video about the SOPs, maybe less? This is still not an excuse to discourage people from getting face masks, which unsurprisingly a lot of governments have done. Face masks help, and using it properly shouldn't be a problem for anyone. All these discussions about face masks being useless and unnecessary are coming from countries that can't supply its people with it, hence the excuses.

How difficult would it be? You would be surprised how many medical professionals have failed their proper protocols... During an infectious disease pandemic, hospitals are typically the hardest hit even with all the proper training and equipment even in a developed country with the most advanced health care system. The medical school where I work and the associated hospital were hit very hard in the H1N1 outbreak about 10 years ago. It's not as easy as you would think. Then again, maybe we are just a whole bunch of dumb rednecks who have no clue what we are doing...

In a perfect world, everyone should be trained how to properly handle a face mask and should wear one. No doubt about that. However, we are not in a perfect world. (1) The general public cannot be expected to be properly trained. We end up getting more infected people because of improper handling of face masks and the resulted higher risks of exposure. (2) No amount of manufacturing capacity in any country can satisfy the needs of billions of people. Allowing the general public to have face masks at this point will soon deplete the face masks for the medical professionals. The ill-equipped medical professionals get most of the exposure since they are constantly surrounded by sick people in close vicinity (many times within inches of their patients). When they get sick, they can no longer take care of their patients. The health care system collapses. Patients have no one to care for. real nightmare.

So the math is like this. Allowing the general public to wear masks will gain 2 points (benefit of proper handling of masks by a small population). Then, allowing the general public to wear masks will lose 20 points (harms of improper handling of masks by the vast majority of the general public and the eventual collapse of the health care system because of the ill-equipped medical staff as a result of depleted mask).

 

[Phoenix_Rising]

Sounds like it's official!

It was from Academican Zhong Nanshan, I suppose you know about him.

Just in case someone don't know how important and convincing Zhong is:

Back in history, he almost single-handly saved this country from 2003 SARS.

In mid January, the Politburo was facing 2 contrast reports, one from scientists of CDC saying it's only limited H2H infective, the other from clinic doctors saying it's highly contagious.
Jan. 18, Academican Zhong was invited to pay a visit to Wuhan.
Jan. 19, he inspected hospitals.
Jan. 20, he declared this disease is "definately H2H contagious". The city was under quarantine before next sunrise. 57m ppl Hubei Province was locked down in 3 days.

Just imagine a man, his credibility reaches such an extent that after he makes a report to Washington, the decree to lockdown entire Michigan and Illinois is given before sunset.

When he says the origin of Covid-19 is mot the wet market, maybe not in China, I shall put a my bet on him.

 

[vesicles]

If you have worn an N95 face mask before, you will immediately know that it is VERY uncomfortable to wear it for a long time. It's hard to breathe while wearing one and it is very hot and humid. Even with years of experience, I myself cannot keep wearing a mask for more than an hour or two. I cannot resist scratching my face, my nose and my eyes because every part of my face itches so badly... When I used to do experiments, I had to come out of the clean lab every hour or two, so that I could take off my mask to breathe and take off my gloves to scratch my face. Just imagine a little kid or a lay person. How well they can resist scratching and go on their activities when they can't even breathe normally behind an N95 mask... If you wear glasses, your glasses will be all fogged up since your own hot breath will be all directed upward to your glasses. It's very frustrating... then you want to mess with your glasses... Touching your face is one of the biggest risk factors of getting infected... Even for the medical staff during a pandemic, most of them get infected not when they wear their protection, but when they take off their contaminated gears.

 

[OppositeDay]

For COVID-19 apparently a lot of doctors were infected while intubating their patients for mechanical ventilation. One of the doctors who passed away this week made the request to his colleagues not to put him on a ventilator because the procedure would be too dangerous for them. HCWs infection rates were driven down only when they begin to use BSL-4 level positive pressure personnel suits for high-risk procedures.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

U.S. has tightened export control on PPPS to China in recent years. Chinese Academy of Military Sciences transferred their technology to the civilian sector during the outbreak to mass produce PPPS in China. This is a powerful example of the importance of indigenous technologies. Hopefully as China recovers and expands its industrial capacities, all Chinese HCWs will be better protected.