Please explain. Are you suggesting that J&J vaccine is more effective for Covid-19 and this latest report issued by FDA advisory board reeks of corruption? Did I understand your comment correctly?
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The thread itself is quite particular about the " No unsubstantiated Rumors". You are essentially standing against the Advisory Board who voted, along with the evidences that they cited. A bold accusation.
While I agree it is still early to draw conclusions on omicron - the fact that we are talking about a third shot a year after it's introduction tells me that vaccination isn't the way out of this pandemic.
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Vaccines can work, but not with the west going full retard like it has because in order for vaccines to work, the entire world need to all achieve herd immunity at as close to the same time as possible. Otherwise you will always run the risk of new variants resetting your vaccination progress if you have significant unvaccinated or worse, particularly vaccinated, populations allowing it to continue to spread and mutate.
Thus realistically speaking, it’s now a waiting game for the virus to evolve into a tame enough and stable enough a variant that we can live with the losses from massive natural infections in combination with vaccinations. Over time we will evolve ourselves to be more resistant to the virus and it will be like the seasonal flu.
But as the Spanish flu proved, that is not without risk itself, since you will still have the live virus achieving up to billions of fresh infections every year with every chance of another highly lethal variant emerging at any time.
I am still hopeful that we will get lucky and that the virus will afford us long enough a window to achieve global herd immunity through vaccinations to break its back before a new vaccine evading variant emerges before we get there.
Ironically, western mRNA vaccines may be the biggest obstacle to that due to them being massively vulnerable to spike protein mutations. Together with the relentless western MSM demonising of Chinese deactivated virus vaccines, it is sadly likely they have fatally compromised global chances of getting out of this mess.
This is a classic case study of the toxic core of western supremacy and dominance, that they would rather the whole world burn than have someone other than themselves be the saviour.
I don't think it's even that, anglos can't comprehend the idea that they may be wrong on something. It's literally an alien concept to them.
Herd immunity is impossible because SAR-CoV-2 virus ultimately originated from non-human vectors (zoonotic or animal) origin, and it mutated to jump to humans. We have bats, deers, lions, tigers, cats, dogs, and many other animals infected with SAR-CoV-2. It's an impossible battle to win.
So long as SAR-CoV-2 can hide amongst the animal host resevoir, no amount of vaccination of humans can fully eradicate this disease. You might achieve herd immunity for a particular variant, but new variants are produced by animal host reservoir each day.
So basically we have to achieve herd immunity within humans AND animal hosts all at the same time.... (basically impossible)
The best we can do is just give booster shots to vulnerable population (elderly, immune compromised, comorbid) and develop some strong anti-virals drugs for those hospitalized with breakthrough infections, and then move on.
So long as SAR-CoV-2 can hide amongst the animal host resevoir, no amount of vaccination of humans can fully eradicate this disease. You might achieve herd immunity for a particular variant, but new variants are produced by animal host reservoir each day.
So basically we have to achieve herd immunity within humans AND animal hosts all at the same time.... (basically impossible)
The best we can do is just give booster shots to vulnerable population (elderly, immune compromised, comorbid) and develop some strong anti-virals drugs for those hospitalized with breakthrough infections, and then move on.
It's common knowledge viral vector induces strong cellular immunity because they use real virus rather than nanolipids. Lipids don't induce strong cellular immunity. There was a paper I read a few months back that says J&J makes 10 times as much cellular immunity as mRNA. Can't seem to find it. Anyway this is a similar a paper.
Herd immunity works against severe disease but not mild infections. Every human gets common cold every year but because of strong cellular immunity they don't require hospitalization. Typically when children get coronavirus early in childhood they develop life long immunity without getting seriously sick.
Herd immunity does not depend on severity or mildness of symptoms, rather reproductive frequency (r naught or R0) as a measure of contagiousness. Herd immunity is calculated as 1-1/R0, and R0 has nothing to do with severity or mildness of infection.
Also, cellular immunity (T-cell response) is a generic secondary response to all infections, whether it's virus, bacteria, or other. Common colds are just by it's very nature less life-threatening than influenza or other viral counterparts, not necessarily due to learned cellular immunity at an early age.
You probably need mRNA vaccines which can be modified more quickly for each variant.