Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[plawolf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471022612771921920

Is this so? Can anyone verify?

Biased and unscientific research methods that is being madly spun by the western MSM to prejudice and smear Chin. Just like it’s covid reporting throughout the pandemic.

This sort of stupid lab antibody level bullshit study has already been thoroughly debunked by real world results that shows lab antibody levels had little correlation to real world vaccine effectiveness.

Pfizer 2 shot effectiveness is also well below 50% agains Omicron yet I don’t see the same western MSM apply the same standard and say it ‘Gives no shield against Omicron’. Instead it’s all about hyping its booster effectiveness, but the fact that Sinovac leaps to 94% effectiveness is buried in the storm near the end.

 

[Overbom]

Pfizer, Sinovac and probably other vaccines have reduced effectiveness with 2-doses.

The message should be clear, whatever vaccine you have taken, go for a booster shot asap. Don't rely on only 2-doses vaccination

 

[badoc]

The booster shot should be ok

I don't trust Hong Kong Univerisities, seeing how they supported the Hong Kong RIOTS.
Looks like another attempt to smear Chinese vaccines.

I agree with this comment on that tweeter feed.
It is well known Sinovac is all round protection whereas mRNA targets only the Spike proteins.
If the study is geared towards only testing the specific Spike antibodies, it of course will show Sinovac in a bad light.


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[ansy1968]

Pfizer, Sinovac and probably other vaccines have reduced effectiveness with 2-doses.

The message should be clear, whatever vaccine you have taken, go for a booster shot asap. Don't rely on only 2-doses vaccination

@Overbom to each his own bro, For me a 3rd dose is not needed and rather offer it to others who are unvaccinated. To defeat this disease we need herd Immunity at least 90% vaccination or else it will be an endless cycle of booster shots.

 

[tch1972]

Western Media spin again. It both Pfizer and sinovac are inadequate. Media choose to highlight sinovac instead

HKU microbiologists find that two doses of BNT162b2 (BioNTech ) or Coronavac (Sinovac) vaccines are inadequate against Omicron virus variants
14 Dec 2021

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[FairAndUnbiased]

Western Media spin again. It both Pfizer and sinovac are inadequate. Media choose to highlight sinovac instead

HKU microbiologists find that two doses of BNT162b2 (BioNTech ) or Coronavac (Sinovac) vaccines are inadequate against Omicron virus variants
14 Dec 2021

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But apparently to the mainstream media nobody cares anymore.

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[Quickie]

Western Media spin again. It both Pfizer and sinovac are inadequate. Media choose to highlight sinovac instead

HKU microbiologists find that two doses of BNT162b2 (BioNTech ) or Coronavac (Sinovac) vaccines are inadequate against Omicron virus variants
14 Dec 2021

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The report mentions about the antibodies (Coronac vaccines) not able to neutralize the virus at 1 to 10 dilution but, I guess, it could still probably neutralize the virus at a lesser dilution.

Besides, inactivated Coronac vaccines are already known to generate fewer antibodies relative to the other type of vaccines but could still be fighting the virus through a more different immune mechanism involving T-cells and other immune cells.

 

[plawolf]

The report mentions about the antibodies (Coronac vaccines) not able to neutralize the virus at 1 to 10 dilution but, I guess, it could still probably neutralize the virus at a lesser dilution.

Besides, inactivated Coronac vaccines are already known to generate fewer antibodies relative to the other type of vaccines but could still be fighting the virus through a more different immune mechanism involving T-cells and other immune cells.

The entire methodology of the study was fundamentally and fatally flawed because they were only looking specifically for antibodies targeting the covid spike proteins.

Deactivated virus vaccines like Sinovac’s isn’t limited to just that single trick, and can and do trigger the creation of antibodies that are triggered by other aspects of the virus, which are not monitored in studies such as was done here. This is the fundamental reason why actual real world vaccine effectiveness between Sinovac and Pfizer almost always don’t follow these spike protein antibody analysis studies, and why deactivated virus vaccines like Sinovac should be far less affected by spike protein mutations.

This is like deciding who the top goalscorer is in football by only counting goals scored with the left foot. Because the player who plays for your team never uses his right foot to kick a ball.

 

[Tyler]

But apparently to the mainstream media nobody cares anymore.

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Is the US going to shutdown the economy again? If restaurants and sports events are not allowed, this is going to affect their economy.

 

[j17wang]

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Barely anyone in US media reports this, as there is nothing america can do. America will cross one million deaths around April of next year based on some calculations, but either way its entirely academic. America's low vaccine uptake and still relatively high median age means it will have one of the highest death tolls in the world once its all over. Had it not been for trump, vaccine uptake would have ultimately hovered around 85% (like Canada) vs 65% now.