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Covid outbreak on Hockey team with 100% vaccination rate

Considering the surges happening in Europe, Singapore, and what happened earlier in Israel, it’s pretty clear that the 95% or whatever immunity is not the case in real life.

Also looking at Chile, Indonesia and Cambodia, Sinovac is looking a lot better than 50%. Although Chile is looking at a rise in cases right now, but they vaccinated earlier.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

@KYli bro see how they spin a good story to bad.

The actual story

“This is a very successful completion of contract that we have with China and this Sinovac vaccine,” said Sec. Carlito Galvez Jr., vaccine czar and chief implementer of the National Task Force (NTF) Against COVID-19.

“The Filipino people will always be grateful to the Chinese government and Sinovac for facilitating the continuous, and steady, and timely delivery of the life-saving vaccines,” he added.


The Sinovac shots were the first COVID-19 vaccines that arrived in the country during the onset of the pandemic last year. The arrival of 600,000 doses of vaccine donation on February 28, 2020 paved the way for the rollout of the national vaccination program in March.

But Galvez pushed through with the use of Sinovac amid heavy criticisms from several individuals and organizations if only to offer at least some form of protection to the most vulnerable sectors such as the healthcare workers, senior citizens, and persons with comorbidities.

And now the Spin

However, the vaccination program had a bumpy start as vaccine hesitancy was evident among the public due to Sinovac’s lower efficacy compared to other Western-made brands.

While Sinovac-CoronaVac offered around 50 to 70 percent efficiency in preventing infections based on global studies at the time, other brands such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca from the United States and United Kingdom have over 90 percent efficiency.

The story should be all about the completion of the contract and how the Western Pharma can't meet its obligation (mind you the contract payment had been paid in advance by loan from World Bank which the bank itself paid directly to Western Pharma) ,that is the main topic and the newspaper should ask that difficult question, instead they need to spin and cover it up by reporting the low efficacy compare with the western brand.

Claimed higher efficacy, anyhow. Meanwhile real world results say it all without words.

 

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The definition of 'fully vaccinated' is changing to three Covid-19 doses​

mRNA vaccines literally crumbling under delta variant

SARS-Cov-2 is in the same family of influnza, crona virus. The vaccines would work similarly as the influnza vaccine, that is anti-body level will drop significantly after some months. That is why one need flu shot every season. mRNA or inactivated vaccines have the same trend even if there is some difference in length of time. This is well known from the very begining. There was a huge debate in this forum about how every type of vaccine coupe with future mutations effectively, so none of us should expect a vaccine lasting effective forever.

That is why China 1) still has strict controlling rules and mask rules, 2) is giving booster shot right now. Because China never believed in a super vaccine to do the job alone.

The mRNA hype was the fault of the western media's propaganda campaign aginst China. The campaign was against science. But mRNA tech itself should not be blamed for this reason, and should only be measured against strict scientific merits. We should not act like the western media a year ago being anti-science.

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How may doses of Sinovac or Sinopharm do they need? It looks like China has already started on the third dose administration.

Asking a wrong question in response to a wrong statement isn't going to help your beloved mRNA. It will just start a new round of shit-throwing contest.

 

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How may doses of Sinovac or Sinopharm do they need? It looks like China has already started on the third dose administration.

I think Israel is recommending 4 mrna+ shots for at-risk individuals...

 

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New Reconstruction Points to Animal Origins for Covid-19​

An evolutionary biologist reviewed data and reports on first known cases to show most were clustered around Wuhan’s seafood market ​

A scientist known for investigating viral origins has reconstructed the first known weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic, adding to a growing body of evidence that the virus behind it jumped from infected animals to humans rather than emerging from laboratory research.

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[windsclouds2030]

@KYli bro see how they spin a good story to bad.

The actual story

“This is a very successful completion of contract that we have with China and this Sinovac vaccine,” said Sec. Carlito Galvez Jr., vaccine czar and chief implementer of the National Task Force (NTF) Against COVID-19.

“The Filipino people will always be grateful to the Chinese government and Sinovac for facilitating the continuous, and steady, and timely delivery of the life-saving vaccines,” he added.


The Sinovac shots were the first COVID-19 vaccines that arrived in the country during the onset of the pandemic last year. The arrival of 600,000 doses of vaccine donation on February 28, 2020 paved the way for the rollout of the national vaccination program in March.

But Galvez pushed through with the use of Sinovac amid heavy criticisms from several individuals and organizations if only to offer at least some form of protection to the most vulnerable sectors such as the healthcare workers, senior citizens, and persons with comorbidities.

And now the Spin

However, the vaccination program had a bumpy start as vaccine hesitancy was evident among the public due to Sinovac’s lower efficacy compared to other Western-made brands.

While Sinovac-CoronaVac offered around 50 to 70 percent efficiency in preventing infections based on global studies at the time, other brands such as Pfizer and AstraZeneca from the United States and United Kingdom have over 90 percent efficiency.

The story should be all about the completion of the contract and how the Western Pharma can't meet its obligation (mind you the contract payment had been paid in advance by loan from World Bank which the bank itself paid directly to Western Pharma) ,that is the main topic and the newspaper should ask that difficult question, instead they need to spin and cover it up by reporting the low efficacy compare with the western brand.

Whose spin that one? Sorry, I don't follow closely. Any link that refers to that spun part. It's an interesting reference to remind people's about the Covid vaccine covert war launched by the MSM to prop the Big Pharma biz not long go. Yet most people may not realize the MSM black campaign to demote Chinese vaccines during the critical moment back then. Reading your exposition about the involvement of the World Bank's loan to finance the ADVANCE PAYMENT of the countries' purchase Pfizer (and Moderna)... but the World Bank wouldn't do the same for Chinese-made vaccines (or Russian's ones), well, it just reminds me that some Chinese netizen mentioned about "Vaccine Dollar" to prop the Petrodollar for the sake of WRC.

 

[Temstar]

Yesterday China had 3 new domestic confirmed cases, 1 new domestic asymptomatic carrier. Very much on the tail end of this current outbreak.

Given the situation in Europe at the moment with Austria applying drastic measures and Germany not far behind I think it's fair to say relying ONLY on vaccine to control outbreak has now proven itself to be a failed strategy (with the possible exception of maybe Israel, which is going for four shots now). "Living with COVID-19" and that sort of thing is just not viable. Even US numbers are starting to show an upward trend again. Only proven strategy now is vaccination + public health measures.

 

[ansy1968]

Whose spin that one? Sorry,

@windsclouds2030 Hi bro, the newspaper is Manila Bullentin the owner is an oligarch who is a crony of both the Marcos and the Aquinos.

I don't follow closely. Any link that refers to that spun part. It's an interesting reference to remind people's about the Covid vaccine covert war launched by the MSM to prop the Big Pharma biz not long go. Yet most people may not realize the MSM black campaign to demote Chinese vaccines during the critical moment back then.

Okay a brief history, remember Sinopharm controversy where Duterte was inoculated with its Presidential guards without our FDA approval (Sinopharm was given the go signal by WHO before SINOVAC ), while Pfizer and Moderna had been given emergency used because WHO and the American approved it. See the bias, the Sinopharm executive in disgust didn't push thru with their plan of supplying the vaccine even with the intervention of the Chinese ambassador. The Chinese gov't in turn had ordered Sinovac as a replacement. It's unfortunate because I believed of all the vaccine available Sinopharm is the best.

We were given preferential treatment for the early delivery of the vaccine by the Chinese gov't as a gesture of goodwill to President Duterte. The Chinese offer Sinopharm and Sinovac for clinical trial in August last year, the 2nd nation after UAE for Sinopharm and the 3rd for Sinovac but our FDA didn't take the offer thus the delay in our vaccination drive, we were overtaken by Cambodia and Indonesia. It is a criminal act and the head of our Health dep't and those from our FDA needed to be arrested and shot.

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7 May 2021 — ... requested Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Huang Xilian to withdraw the donated 1,000 Sinopharm doses amid the controversy over his ...

Reading your exposition about the involvement of the World Bank's loan to finance the ADVANCE PAYMENT of the countries' purchase Pfizer (and Moderna)... but the World Bank wouldn't do the same for Chinese-made vaccines (or Russian's ones), well, it just reminds me that some Chinese netizen mentioned about "Vaccine Dollar" to prop the Petrodollar for the sake of WRC.

Due to the delay and inertia of our health institution and bureaucracy, we had to queue at the back of verryy long queue of countries wanting those vaccine. Since our health dep't prefer the western vaccine we had to bid and therefore had to pay upfront asap, since we don't have the money, we need to borrow from World Bank which quickly approve the loan with a condition that we only buy Western Vaccine and they will be the one to handle the payment. So in short the World Bank broker the deal and we never touch and saw the money...lol We had to wait until July this year for the purchase vaccine to arrive while we make do with donated Sinovac vaccine from China. Those 2,000,000 donated vaccine which arrived in march this year saves a lot of lives, me and my family are the beneficiaries, so we are thankful and grateful to China for being there in times of our greatest need.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

Those 2,000,000 donated vaccine which arrived in march this year saves a lot of lives, me and my family are the beneficiaries, so we are thankful and grateful to China for being there in times of our greatest need.

Why isn't this reported in Western media