Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

OppositeDay

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Caixin just dropped two bombshells

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The RNA of SARS-Cov-2 was first sequenced by a private biotech company on Dec 27 from a sample collected on Dec 24 by a hospital in Wuhan. The company immediately alerted the hospital and Wuhan health authority and flied an executive to Wuhan to warn the hospital and local CDC on Dec 29. Subsequently multiple private and public labs, including the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, sequenced the virus. They all alerted the CDC, but was forbidden from publishing the results because according to Chinese law on infectious disease control only labs affiliated with the Chinese CDC has the authorization to conduct pathogenic research on infectious diseases. Note that the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan is a public lab but not affliated with the Chinese CDC. The sequence eventually published by CDC on Jan 11 was the same sequence obtained by the private lab on Dec 27.

Perhaps the law need to be updated? Nowadays China has a large private biotech sector, the old law seems unnecessarily restrictive.

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Damning testimonies from the National Health Commission experts that Hubei health authority was deliberately hiding evidence of human-to-human transmission. The expert team was very eager to know whether there were infections among healthcare workers, but was always told by hospitals that no there wasn't. When they pushed for more information, the top health official in Hubei directly confronted them and asked if they are accusing him of withholding information. As the team was sent by National Health Commission to assist Hubei authorities, not to investigate them, they had no power to dig further.

What I don't understand was the motivation behind Hubei health commission's decision to hide human-to-human transmission.

Of course this was a one-sided story from the National Health Commission.
 
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vincent

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The political systems of South Korea and Japan are very different. South Koreans are doing an amazing job, but the responses from Japanese government have so far been appalling.
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About a week ago China donated 12,500 test kits to Japan.
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A diplomatic way tell Japan that it should seriously start testing for the virus, but no Japan just refuse to test. So far less than 2,000 tested has been done in Japan (excluding Diamond Princess)
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When reporter asked the Japanese Health Minister what happened to the testing kits donated by China, he couldn't provide an answer (after a few minutes of awkward silence)
 

hydrogenpi

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I'm a lot less worried now. Trump appointed VP Pence as Czar and stated that this COVID-19 is "just like the flu" and in many ways the "flu is worse". He also stated that the US is ranked #1 in epidemic response and that the 15 cases will very shortly go down to zero.

 

SteelBird

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I'm a lot less worried now. Trump appointed VP Pence as Czar and stated that this COVID-19 is "just like the flu" and in many ways the "flu is worse". He also stated that the US is ranked #1 in epidemic response and that the 15 cases will very shortly go down to zero.

I wish he's right but Trump always says more than truth.
 

AssassinsMace

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The 2009 swine flu started in Mexico on a US corporate farm. I wouldn't be bragging about how well the US would handle a pandemic especially since it started in the US's own backyard.

I find it interesting here in the US, the news doesn't really talk about recovery. It's like you get the coronavirus and you're as good as dead. I just saw on TV a guy asking if everyone that gets the coronavirus dies? There was a news article I read putting down the two hospitals that were built in 10 ten days. The journalist wrote that if they can handle only a thousand patients each and tens of thousands of people are infected in the area, what good are they? Yeah that's called being upset because China can build a thousand bed hospital in ten days. Just like right now if it's true that China's is over the hump, what does that mean that the media says the US is in danger of a coronavirus outbreak? Shouldn't it already be handled especially since there was a guy on TV saying out of all the countries in the world, the US was number one in being able to handle such an outbreak. Is the US going to violate some civil rights in order to contain the virus or are they going to stick with their democratic values and the let the virus spread easier out of spite? You know they're worried about the optics since most of the reporting in the media is more about trying to paint China has failed while claims that the US will suffer emergency levels of coronavirus infections soon.
 

OppositeDay

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I'm a lot less worried now. Trump appointed VP Pence as Czar and stated that this COVID-19 is "just like the flu" and in many ways the "flu is worse". He also stated that the US is ranked #1 in epidemic response and that the 15 cases will very shortly go down to zero.


There was a research a couple days ago showing that the most effective thing China did to contain COVID-19 was shutting down the public transport system. Now we all understand where Trump's confidence comes from.
 

supercat

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The 2009 swine flu started in Mexico on a US corporate farm. I wouldn't be bragging about how well the US would handle a pandemic especially since it started in the US's own backyard.
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To be fair, the reaction of the Trump administration is much faster than the Obama administration during the 2009 H1N1 flu. However, considering the astronomical cost of the U.S. healthcare, where the medical bill for a flu patient could be thousands dollars, the consequence of a outbreak in the U.S. would be financially ruinous for quite a few people, especially for those who don't have adequate medical insurance. In China, the cost for treating COVID-19 patients is paid in full by the government as far as I know.

In Italy, there are now 400 confirmed cases and 12 deaths (3% mortality rate so far).

Meanwhile in Japan, some hospitals refuse to test patients.

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COVID-19 update, tables:

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shanlung

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First " community spread " in USA California.

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We will see if USA with her Freedom and Democratic Values will handle this the same way, or worse than the way they handles the swine flu of 2009 .
And if USA can build a hospital from scratch within 10 days specifically for covid19 sufferers.

The state of USA in handling this

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