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KYli

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US intelligence community review does not determine origin of Covid-19​


(CNN)The US intelligence community reached an inconclusive assessment about the
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following a 90-day investigation ordered by President Joe Biden, according to an unclassified summary of the probe released publicly on Friday.

The intelligence community is still divided about which of the two theories -- that the virus came from a lab leak or that it jumped from animal to human naturally -- is likely to be correct, the intelligence community said. There is consensus among the intelligence agencies that the two prevailing theories are plausible,
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released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
"All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible: natural exposure to an infected animal and laboratory-associated incident," the intelligence community wrote.

The unclassified report, two-page report, was released Friday by the intelligence community after Biden had asked intelligence agencies to "redouble" their efforts to determine how the Covid-19 pandemic began. Biden, who tasked them with declassifying as much of the report as possible, was briefed on the investigation earlier this week.

"While this review has concluded, our efforts to understand the origins of this pandemic will not rest," Biden said in a statement after the summary was released Friday. "We will do everything we can to trace the roots of this outbreak that has caused so much pain and death around the world, so that we can take every necessary precaution to prevent it from happening again."

In the statement, Biden criticized China for not being more transparent in helping the investigation, and the intelligence community said China's cooperation would likely be needed to reach a more definitive conclusion.

"Critical information about the origins of this pandemic exists in the People's Republic of China, yet from the beginning, government officials in China have worked to prevent international investigators and members of the global public health community from accessing it," Biden said.

While the investigation did not reach a conclusive assessment on the origin of the virus, it did knock down some theories. The intelligence community judged, for instance, that Covid-19 was not developed as a biological weapon, as some Republicans had suggested last year. The report says most agencies assessed with low confidence that it's unlikely Covid-19 was genetically engineered, either.

Agencies divided on origin theories​

Four intelligence community agencies and the National Intelligence Council assessed, with low confidence, that Covid was likely caused by natural exposure to an animal, the summary says. One agency assessed with moderate confidence, however, that the first human infection most likely was the result of a lab-associated incident that "probably involving experimentation, animal handling, or sampling by the Wuhan Institute."

And three agencies said they were unable to coalesce around either explanation without additional information.
The intelligence report says the virus probably emerged and infected humans through an initial small-scale exposure that occurred no later than November 2019.



But the summary says that the intelligence community would need more information from the early days of the pandemic to provide "a more definitive explanation for the origin of Covid-19."

"The IC -- and the global scientific community -- lacks clinical samples or a complete understanding of epidemiological data from the earliest Covid-19 cases," the intelligence community wrote.

China's unwillingness to cooperate hampered the intelligence community's ability to get answers on the origins of the virus. "China's cooperation most likely would be needed to reach a conclusive assessment of the origins of Covid-19," the intelligence community said. "Beijing, however, continues to hinder the global investigation, resist sharing information and blame(s) other countries, including the United States."

While the report does lay blame on China, it says Chinese officials "did not have foreknowledge of the virus before the initial outbreak."

Window for understanding origins is closing​

Earlier this month,
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intelligence agencies were poring through a trove of genetic data drawn from virus samples at the lab in Wuhan that some officials believe could have been the source of the outbreak.

Officials told CNN this week that the intelligence agencies were switching sides on which theory was more likely as recently as last week.
Biden launched the review into the origins of Covid-19 earlier this year amid growing calls for a deep dive after a US intelligence report found several researchers at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology fell ill in November 2019 and had to be hospitalized.

Last month, a bipartisan group of lawmakers said they want Biden to continue investigating the virus' origins even after the 90-day review is completed.

The window to find an answer to the pandemic's origins could be fading, however. A team of experts commissioned by the World Health Organization said Wednesday that the opportunity to find out where the pandemic began is disappearing as people's immune responses fade away and any evidence in the bodies of animals vanishes.
 

AssassinsMace

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The US wants to prevent any authorization of a non-US vaccine so that they can make money from it. Anyone who wants to travel to the US will have get an American vaccine so they can charge what...? $200 dollars a shot? I think some COVID-19 tests at airports cost $200 for travelers so it's going to be more. The US doesn't approve Chinese vaccines... Pre-pandemic... over 100 million Chinese tourists travel overseas. If they get other countries to go along with US travel rules, that's at least $20 billion dollars for US vaccine companies. And if the vaccines wear off, that's even more money.
 

Tyler

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The US wants to prevent any authorization of a non-US vaccine so that they can make money from it. Anyone who wants to travel to the US will have get an American vaccine so they can charge what...? $200 dollars a shot? I think some COVID-19 tests at airports cost $200 for travelers so it's going to be more. The US doesn't approve Chinese vaccines... Pre-pandemic... over 100 million Chinese tourists travel overseas. If they get other countries to go along with US travel rules, that's at least $20 billion dollars for US vaccine companies. And if the vaccines wear off, that's even more money.
It is more important to get Chinese mRNA vaccines to the Chinese public, and also worldwide. This is another choice for a lot of people.
 

AndrewS

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It is more important to get Chinese mRNA vaccines to the Chinese public, and also worldwide. This is another choice for a lot of people.

Well, I think there is a market for mRNA vaccines for pretty much every type of cancer.

That's 50 mRNA vaccines easily that could be used urgently today.
 

KYli

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AssassinsMace

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That's the only silver lining of those that choose to be unvaccinated is they're the ones more likely to die and kill everyone who thinks just like them. Yes, I'm a cold bastard but at least I'm a truthful cold bastard because all of them are hiding behind freedom to hide how they're evil cold bastards. I'll respect those that self-isolate but not the ones who think this is a freedom issue. They don't have the right to spread disease. I bet they hate those first Americans that brought COVID-19 over to the US to start it all. They have the same right to spread disease because it's the same logic. The difference to them is they believe he or she is not white. Not surprised that the people who think this is a freedom issue are the same people I talked about before in this forum who think free speech means no one can counter anything they have to say. If someone questions or challenges what the have to say, their freedom of speech is being violated but of course they can do the very thing to others they don't want being done to them. Every bad guy in the history of the world can claim they're for freedom if the criteria was you had to believe in your own freedom to be a freedom fighter. No different from those Hong Kongers that beat people who disagree or don't blindly follow along with them. It's just like the movie The Suicide Squad where Peacekeeper says he'll kill every man, woman, and child if it's for liberty. Then Bloodsport tells him that he thinks he just says he's for liberty just so he can do anything he wants.
 

j17wang

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Indian Canadians = liberal vote bank for JT. Unfortunately the con(artists) are a white nationalist vote bank that often treasonously calls for ending Canadian independence.

It would be stupid for Chinese Canadians to vote for either. Hopefully NDP stops being a pushover.

NDP isnt going to win, and Liberals is still better than the cons when it comes to at least not being outright xenophobic. I'm voting liberals to stop a conservative minority.
 

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This is very good; 93% efficacy against the Alpha variant and 78% efficacy against the Delta variant. Basically not too much below mRNA, and definitely better than AZ shots. This is good enough as a 2nd generation vaccine. Only issue is its 3 shots, which might making boosting difficult (but not impossible).
 

Phead128

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Vaccine efficacy is a percent reduction from a fraction. So long as there is a non-zero chance of infection after vaccination, virus can reside in animal host reservoir, waning antibodies after 8 month, staggered deployment of boosters, lack of approval for children, lethargy for boosters, etc.... there is no chance for herd immunity even at +90% vaccination rate for population, considering herd immunity is a myth and cannot never be achieved. At best we can tolerate deaths reduced to seasonal influenza level, 30K to 60K per year in US or 0.1-0.2% CFR. That should be achieveable with mass vaccination with second gen vaccines.
 
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