Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

Brigadier
Now this is FUBAR if what the article says is true or even half true.


The best course of action right now is wait and see. Keep taking the usual precautions even after vaccination. In time, the truth will emerge.

I am quite certain that a lot of these "breakthrough" infections come from fully vaccinated people believing they're now immune to covid and thus engaging in risky behavior.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
If Vietnam would have locked down in May instead of now, then the situation wouldn't have been this dire. In addition, not sure why Vietnamese government is so hostile towards Chinese vaccines. The government refused to procure or recognize Chinese vaccines. It only allowed some donations from China. HCM City government procured 5 millions doses through helps from local Chinese corporations but it was designated as local government procurement not state to state.
This screams politics. Vietnamese government seems willing to take Chinese help when when it can't be seen by the people (ie Industrial equipment and engineering), but when it comes to the message to the people, China is a wolf.

Regarding covid-zero...
How much does covid testing cost? How can China afford to test so many millions over and over again?
Logistically speaking, it seems difficult enough.
It's funny because everyday there is some news article about the human rights abuses in China, but the herculean effort to test and maintain a safe environment for people really should be admired.
 

KYli

Brigadier
This screams politics. Vietnamese government seems willing to take Chinese help when when it can't be seen by the people (ie Industrial equipment and engineering), but when it comes to the message to the people, China is a wolf.

Regarding covid-zero...
How much does covid testing cost? How can China afford to test so many millions over and over again?
Logistically speaking, it seems difficult enough.
It's funny because everyday there is some news article about the human rights abuses in China, but the herculean effort to test and maintain a safe environment for people really should be admired.

It costs as little as 25 yuan per test. For bulk testings, 10 samples per test. For major cities, after a few rounds or more testing, total cost is over$100 million including logistic and labor. But you need to consider that there are many volunteers, and doctors and nurses are not overpaid or overcompensated.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
The best course of action right now is wait and see. Keep taking the usual precautions even after vaccination. In time, the truth will emerge.

I am quite certain that a lot of these "breakthrough" infections come from fully vaccinated people believing they're now immune to covid and thus engaging in risky behavior.
Urged on by MSM, calls for opening up like the UK are becoming more common. While Covid has not affected us financially on the farm, there tens of thousands of small business owners who have been impacted and it's for those that a little bit of loosening up is required. Meanwhile because of a shortage of timber there has been a call by some politicians for limiting or outright banning log exports to China.
Perhaps if the local merchants did not put such high markups locally more timber would remain in the country. Eg a friend of mine owns a sheep station which some tree plantations on it A NZ company offered him $170.000NZ for the block while a Chinese company offered around $750,000U.S and with the exchange rate at the time being $1NZ =71 cents U.S. guess which one he took?
 

JSChineseTiger

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Ontario reports 639 new cases, 0 deaths. Pretty sure SARS COV 2 is mutating in the direction of being restricted to the nasal area instead of being able to venture down into the lungs. This is good for SARS COV 2 because now it can infect lots and lots of people without killing the hosts like the other human coronaviruses do which were able to infect the lungs before they became attenuated.

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Phead128

Captain
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Moderator - World Affairs
You want China to open up, which means importing many variants of SARS-CoV-2 from the rest of the world.

I never said China should reopen now. I said China should reopen after boosters and full vaccination. Stop twisting my position.

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, according to Sujeet Kumar Singh, who is Director of NCDC, which I assume is India's equivalent of the US CDC.

There are a million variants of influenza, but we have annual seasonal booster shots for new variants. I'm not sure why you are so enamored with variants when boosters can address them very easily. You also never addressed the thousands of variants produced by bats, deers, dogs, cats within Chinese borders today. How about addressing those variants from animal resevoir population?
YOU said "Bro, once China achieves 100% vaccination plus boosters, China can grow even faster without sporatic lockdowns to achieve an elusive goal of permanent zero infections. Permanent zero deaths should be sufficient."
Zero deaths is a more realistic and cost-effective goal in the long-term compared to Zero infection. There is a weighting of cost-benefit and cost-risk that needs to occur in the long-term, it requires some critical thinking, not just thinking in absolute black/white dichotomy.
You argue like a loser: if you can't dazzle them with the merit of your arguments, baffle them with BS.
Irony coming from someone who doesn't read articles, just the headlines.

Irony coming from someone ignoring the variants in animal host resevoir, ignoring the high efficacy of vaccines against death preventions, ignoring that most vaccinated people only have mild/moderate symptoms, ignoring the fact that even Chinese Chief Scientist of China CDC agrees that 'zero COVID strategy' is not a permanent one. Who is the loser? Sounds like you.

Multivalent vaccines will protect against how many thousands of variants, according to you?
Just like the influenza variants, you only need to address the most dominant variants. You obviously don't need to address ALL the variants in known universe, the goal isn't eradication, but living with the virus and targeting it's most lethal variants with targeted booster shots.

You want China to dump a program that is working well in favor of your plan, which has very little evidence for it?
I never said China should stop lockdowns now, I said China should in the long-term consider loosening restrictions after boosters and full vaccination significantly reducing deaths.

I want China to keep fighting the coronavirus, and not give up as you recommend. For some things there are no quick and easy answers. China must continue to fight. Who knows, perhaps a strong vaccine will emerge that proves effective against all variants.
Basically you are clueless and you refuse to offer a solution. "Keep on fighting" is what US said in Afghanistan for the last 20 years, but repeating the same thing over and over again. Do you have a clear exit strategy in the long-term?

Who knows, perhaps a strong vaccine will emerge that proves effective against all variants.
That's what I'm trying to say. That's what most Chinese scientist likely believe will happen in the long-term.
 
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