There is VERY GOOD justification for China's zero tolerance policy, even if some variants were endemic in the rest of the world (which I do not accept). The reason is that if China relaxed and allowed its anti-virus infrastructure to atrophy from disuse, the country would be vulnerable to the next biowarfare attack from the US.
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Not to mention, allowing a relaxation of vigilance against COVID in a nation as large as China would create new variants much as we've seen in Britain, Brazil, the US and the most infectious one so far: Indian borne Delta variant.
And you can bet that if a Chinese variant came about, the anglo media would pounce on it and call it "China virus" as they already did when Wuhan alerted the world of COVID, despite evidence now coming out the COVID was extant in the US and europe well before late 2019.
And you can bet that if a Chinese variant came about, the anglo media would pounce on it and call it "China virus" as they already did when Wuhan alerted the world of COVID, despite evidence now coming out the COVID was extant in the US and europe well before late 2019.
I agree 100%.
And if everyone is 100% vaccinated..... why is high infection counts bad?
Even if China completely self-isolated, the coronavirus is endemic in bats, deers, dogs, cats, etc.... In fact, SARs-Cov-2 mutated in Bat or Civets population before it jumped into humans. So the idea that China can eradicate SAR-CoV-2 means it needs to eradicate the bat, deer, dog, cat population too since these animal reservoirs are where the virus can thrive and mutate.
Even against existing variants like Delta, the Chinese and Western vaccines have very high efficacy against hospitalization and death. Vaccines aren't really designed to prevent transmission/infection, they are designed to reduce severity of disease (thereby preventing death).
So even if you are infected after fully vaccinated, you will only get mild/moderate symptoms. That's hardly "useless"...
If 100% of population is vaccinated, you can achieved Indian and American levels of infections and have nearly zero COVID deaths.
I'm saying China should only surrender after everyone is 100% vaccinated.... I'm not suggesting everyone give up now....
I'm pretty sure US CIA would just create endless outbreaks in China, so China has to lockdown it's cities endlessly. What a joke..... once everyone is 100% vaccinated, there is zero COVID deaths, why bother killing your own manufacturing, tourism, and closing your borders?
Infection rates only really matter in short-term clinical trials for regulatory approval purposes. In the real world..... death prevention matters much more than infection rates, since infections can't kill you and infections extremely rarely give you long 'COVID' if you are fully vaccinated. Generally, you get mild/moderate flu-like symptoms.
I'm just saying, once everyone is fully 100% vaccinated, then the focus should be on death-prevention, not infection prevention.
I'm just saying, once everyone is fully 100% vaccinated, then the focus should be on death-prevention, not infection prevention.
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OK thank you for the reply. I hope we dun divide the world further and everyone can cooperate together to deal with this worldwide pandemic. But I can see where you are coming from. I can understand your thinking.
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This is what we gave to our staff for free: two boxes of Lianhua Qingwen, one tube of Vitamin-C, a warm bottle and a pack of tea. We also advice our staff to change their living habit as Covid-19 will not get away any time soon. We want them to start drinking warm water instead of buying cooled drink outside. People here like to drink iced drink like iced milk coffee, iced milk tea, etc.
Cambodia also starts the third jab (boosting dose) with AZ for those who have taken two doses of Sinopharm or Sinovac for six to eight months. People are rushing to take the jab even though some of them has just taken the first one for four months. I myself will not rush for the third jab and will wait until six months as per advice by our Health Ministry.
Going by what Kyli has posted, it's probably a better idea to give a third booster dose with the same type of vaccine.
Maybe you should call up your Health Ministry and inform them of the Turkish findings of the booster third shots. You may even end up getting a national reward for doing so, just kidding.
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When people got two jabs of Sinovac or Sinopharm, they almost had no side effect but the third jab of AZ makes many feel dizzy, especially the females. Perhaps due to Delta, people are too nervous to take the 3rd jab. The health ministry advice people to take the 3rd one when their 1st ones have been 6 to 8 months. Many people took the 3rd jab when their 1st one was just about 4 months. Maybe due to limited supply of AZ. We currently have only about 1 million doses while there are up to 10 million people waiting for the jabs.
China has low infection rates -- now. The current variants aren't very deadly -- now. To permit a high infection rate means allowing an enormous reservoir of the virus to form in China, therefore risking the evolution of a truly lethal strain. Why chance it?
Despite China's current drastic anti-Covid measures, the economy is thriving.
When things aren't broken -- the infections are low, the economy is good -- why fix it? The only reason is that you WANT the Middle Kingdom to do something stupid.
If SARS-CoV-2 is as endemic in animals as you claim, why are China's infection rates so low?
As long as the CIA continues to attack the Middle Kingdom with bioweapons, I want China to be vigilant against contagions. However, I warn @voyager1's favorite organization: your 2019 biowar shot cost the US far more than it cost China. Want to try again?
Just to post on what @Phead128 is talking about with the animals
I think you are missing the point though.
The major fear from what happened in Wuhan was 1000's of people dying in a matter of weeks. This scene was repeated all across the world. Then recently there was what happened in India with the Delta variant.
However, even in the crazy hot spot of the USA, we see infections are about the same as November, but deaths are 80% reduced.
Right now China is still working on vaccination. The goal is something like 80 - 90% (If I recall correctly) of the population.
This is the first generation of vaccines.
If the country reaches this goal and follows up with a booster of a second gen vaccine (or however many types/generations), harm should be meaningfully reduced.
1. Antibody protection from the vaccine
2. Transmission chain will be shortened
The hope would be that deaths become statistically insignificant. Do you worry if the probability of death from a disease is the same as something like a car accident?
Then the need for lockdown type control should theoretically be unnecessary. You would still maintain the infrastructure to monitor outbreaks instead of what Trump did (remove US CDC cooperation with China and make cutbacks)
Let's leave Biowar conspiracies out. I think the point was just another destabilization tool that could be utilized like "pro-democracy dissidents" or "President of Taiwan English Vegetable"