Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[ansy1968]

Hmm, Does "Faith" play a part in TCM.

@B.I.B. bro it does ,using western medicine it may kill you with anxiety attacks, cost wise you have to sell your organs just to pay for your medication....lol Like the US we privatized our health system, so its profit driven with tie up with Western Pharma , nobody want to be hospitalized cause if you did then you die from poverty instead of your sickness. An ex: Ivermectin is being use to treat covid , my friend who is hospitalized told me they used it on him costing $250 per shot, when he was discharged the total billing is $50,000 that is PH2.5 million peso which is a lot. The anxiety it cost to his family is immense, he had to borrow money just to pay for his medication. While one of my friend who can afford the cost use Lianhua and he recovered within 10 days costing only $180 ( he buy it from my wife for 100 boxes...lol). When the three of us met and retold their story, I can see the sadness , depression and how it damage his family, I feel sorry for him.

 

[SteelBird]

@DarkStar bro one of those is LIANHUA QINGWEN JIAONANG or people call it here as Lenghua, it cost only $1.80 per box containing 10 tablets. Its effective, people with vested interest try to use the Chinese Card to demonized the medicine therefore it was sold in the black market but it works and gov't should authorized its usage but was prevented cause our FDA is REGULATORY CAPTURED by the western pharma. Brother it saves a lot of lives especially the poor people who can afford it. The proof is our death toll, percentage wise compare to people infected its very minimal.

This is what we gave to our staff for free: two boxes of Lianhua Qingwen, one tube of Vitamin-C, a warm bottle and a pack of tea. We also advice our staff to change their living habit as Covid-19 will not get away any time soon. We want them to start drinking warm water instead of buying cooled drink outside. People here like to drink iced drink like iced milk coffee, iced milk tea, etc.

Cambodia also starts the third jab (boosting dose) with AZ for those who have taken two doses of Sinopharm or Sinovac for six to eight months. People are rushing to take the jab even though some of them has just taken the first one for four months. I myself will not rush for the third jab and will wait until six months as per advice by our Health Ministry.

 

[DarkStar]

I make no comment on TCM in general, because there's much that we don't know about it. Artemisin for example was discovered from TCM.

However there are superstitious TCM ingredients that indeed have no proof of efficacy.

I don't know if it was key, but Chinese doctors have indeed confirmed that TCM treatment helps with both recovery and prevention of severe symptoms.

@DarkStar bro one of those is LIANHUA QINGWEN JIAONANG or people call it here as Lenghua, it cost only $1.80 per box containing 10 tablets. Its effective, people with vested interest try to use the Chinese Card to demonized the medicine therefore it was sold in the black market but it works and gov't should authorized its usage but was prevented cause our FDA is REGULATORY CAPTURED by the western pharma. Brother it saves a lot of lives especially the poor people who can afford it. The proof is our death toll, percentage wise compare to people infected its very minimal.

Hmm, Does "Faith" play a part in TCM.

The superstition and 'faith' parts of TCM have been disposed of in favour of the modern scientific approach that TCM makes today; that's why nobody uses mercury tonics or talks about evil spirits invading the human body which you would have seen even as recent as the 1930s. In fact there's just as much faith in TCM as there is western pharmaceuticals

In fact TCM works so well that the west likes to steal parts of it and claim it as their own which is why acupuncture has now been rebranded as 'dry needling' in physiotherapy and chiropractic care, and even Qigong breathing techniques have been remarked by xyz western Guru Life Coaches

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Hmm, Does "Faith" play a part in TCM.

Placebo is one helluva drug.

Guess India's problem must be they aren't believing hard enough in their cow dung treatments.

 

[DarkStar]

I assure you there's nothing like cow dung or cow urine in TCM; that appears to be a religious hysteria issue in India.
In TCM, the treatment protocols used against COVID offer better outcomes compared to those in the West who appear to die in droves.

Even in un-communist Taiwan, the hospitals there have TCM Departments and treatment protocols against COVID there involved TCM formulas.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I assure you there's nothing like cow dung or cow urine in TCM; that appears to be a religious hysteria issue in India.
In TCM, the treatment protocols used against COVID offer better outcomes compared to those in the West who appear to die in droves.

Even in un-communist Taiwan, the hospitals there have TCM Departments and treatment protocols against COVID there involved TCM formulas.

Point was that if faith alone was enough to treat COVID, then Indian dung treatment would be equally effective as TCM. Of course, we know that is obviously not true.

 

[getready]

There will always be people frustrated by policies no matter what. The thing to do when conducting any investment is look at the worst case and best case scenarios.

Best case: open up controls, economy increases maybe to 6-7% rather than 5%. Fundamentally will still slow down later though due to exhausting pent up demand.

Worst case: US/India.

So why risk it?

And as for how much Chinese people care about health: some Chinese people spend 10k+ USD on traditional medicine with no proof of efficacy for extension of life for a few years.

COVID prevention costs maybe 1 USD per person and prevents the multi year life expectancy loss seen in the US.

OK thanks. That was helpful. I did carried away by the comments, I was thinking how much longer will they deal with this as so far their attitude been very exemplary in comparison to others in the world.

Wat do you think about the possibility of covid variants making zero covid strategy a very difficult one to keep? There is some talk now from scientific community and it's not totally aimed at China, that even with mass vaccination, herd immunity maynot be possible as the delta variant is so transmissable that even fully vaxxed people still get infected. Will China continue to do lockdowns and city wide testing, shutting borders as long as needed which may be months for best case but likely years. Is eradication of covid in China while the world opens up and lives with it, something that the people will accept long term?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

OK thanks. That was helpful. I did carried away by the comments, I was thinking how much longer will they deal with this as so far their attitude been very exemplary in comparison to others in the world.

Wat do you think about the possibility of covid variants making zero covid strategy a very difficult one to keep? There is some talk now from scientific community and it's not totally aimed at China, that even with mass vaccination, herd immunity maynot be possible as the delta variant is so transmissable that even fully vaxxed people still get infected. Will China continue to do lockdowns and city wide testing, shutting borders as long as needed which may be months for best case but likely years. Is eradication of covid in China while the world opens up and lives with it, something that the people will accept long term?

COVID zero is the exact strategy to use against variants while herd immunity is the bad strategy. A mutation renders previous herd immunity less immune but quashing every case regardless of what it is by mass testing, quarantine and masking makes it so that it doesn't matter what the variant is.

If the rest of the world just deals with it, cool, they'll be buying Chinese PPE for a while as China races up the charts in life expectancy. Furthermore it is a gigantic propaganda victory and demonstration of how the Chinese system values life and health. It will mean that neutral third parties - the ones who are actually worthy of convincing - will naturally drift towards China since very few people agree with the idea that money is worth more than life.

 

[getready]

COVID zero is the exact strategy to use against variants while herd immunity is the bad strategy. A mutation renders previous herd immunity less immune but quashing every case regardless of what it is by mass testing, quarantine and masking makes it so that it doesn't matter what the variant is.

If the rest of the world just deals with it, cool, they'll be buying Chinese PPE for a while as China races up the charts in life expectancy. Furthermore it is a gigantic propaganda victory and demonstration of how the Chinese system values life and health. It will mean that neutral third parties - the ones who are actually worthy of convincing - will naturally drift towards China since very few people agree with the idea that money is worth more than life.

Does this mean China will be closed off to the world and lockdowns and testing will a way of life for many years? Even with fully vaxxed population there will still be some infections, but with minor symptoms and much less deaths or serious illness.

If coronavirus isn't eradicated world wide, It will make things hard for China to just go at it alone unless it is fully closed off from outside but that is of course impossible.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Does this mean China will be closed off to the world and lockdowns and testing will a way of life for many years? Even with fully vaxxed population there will still be some infections, but with minor symptoms and much less deaths or serious illness.

If coronavirus isn't eradicated world wide, It will make things hard for China to just go at it alone unless it is fully closed off from outside but that is of course impossible.

The end goal will be to divide the world into those who surrender to coronavirus and have a much reduced quality of life, and those that listen to China and do it the Chinese way.