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[weig2000]

You have a point. But the Global Times nationalists were unleashed and we had very frequent attacks against Australia about how much it depended on China for its economy and that it should stop rocking the boat etc

don't tell me that Global Times isnt controlled by the CPC. Obviously their actions were OK'd by the higher ups.

So who was the "very stable genius" who thought that they had Australia on their palm of their hand and they could do whatever they wanted against it?
Did they not take into account the Iron Ore situation?

So in the end, what started as a strong and robust Chinese response against Australia is gradually turning into a joke as you can see (from the above article) from that other "genius" Morrison.

Good strategy by China but failed at the tactics.

Global Times is not spokesperson for Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Government. Sure they're owned by People's Daily, but they're not PD. They can reflect much broader views or sentiments, with limits, of course. That's why they exist. And CCP doesn't sanction every article or statement it publishes. Some of its views, particularly those from its editor-in-chief, are quite controversial in China.

You could say GT has a lot of room than a party mouthpiece.

 

[AssassinsMace]

China is not a prison. Her citizens can visit other countries anytime they like

And yet Chinese tourism has dropped in trouble making countries...

 

[voyager1]

Global Times is not spokesperson for Ministry of Foreign Affairs or Government. Sure they're owned by People's Daily, but they're not PD. They can reflect much broader views or sentiments, with limits, of course. That's why they exist. And CCP doesn't sanction every article or statement it publishes. Some of its views, particularly those from its editor-in-chief, are quite controversial in China.

You could say GT has a lot of room than a party mouthpiece.

Fair enough. From my understanding Global Times was ultimatelly controlled by the CPC.

And for such a major decision on foreign matters, I cant see how Global Times wouldnt have the OK by the higher-ups from the CPC

I agree that Global Times is not that strictly controlled but for "attacking" another country it would surely need permission

Btw, I moved the convo to the world thread

 

[emblem21]

Hey I'm sorry but this a pretty bad take. I usually like your posts but this is way off. But I guess you dun live in Australia. I do and follow the local news daily with special attention towards their China section. Yes many Aus papers have a special online China section and special assigned reporters to write on China. Seriously doubt if Chinese papers have an Australian section.

In my observations, the whining, blustering, moaning, smearing, whingeing, between the two, 90% is from Aus gov and Aus media side. Mostly China kept quiet, so much so Australia officials were wondering why they are not answering our calls.

I would say compared to Aus side, China has been very restrained.

Come on man, you're smarter than this comment. No one expected not least China that their recent actions against Australia is going to bear fruit within months considering the amount/volume of trades and contracts China and it's companies had with the kangaroo humping descendants of convicts. We should look at the data and trends a year or 2 from today and assess where the impact or how little to no effect the impact of China's actions made and go from there.

As for Morrison laughing at China, as a Chinese person I take that as a compliment since Scotty is a big joke not to mention Australia is even a bigger joke. How's their warmongering nonsense coming along crikey.

China is all about long term strategy, so the damages will take time to really manifest.
Given that these actions are going to focus a lot on the western side of things (mostly australia Anglo businesses and other businesses connected to the australia government), I’d say that China is being surgical in regards to handling the situation.
At this point in time, Scomo doesn’t have the balls to start a fight but he is trying to increase spending on defense but really, australia has neither the experience nor the amount needed to boost military to even a remote acceptable level to deter China if australia decides to do another shirts off like they did to Putin (which made Russia yet another future enemy that Australia didn’t need to have. In other word, no matter what he does, he is only delaying the inevitable.

but going back on topic, people are still taking on YouTube that India is going to be the greatest western ally in the region against China, but given the current crisis in covid going up exponentially along with the collective sanity in India dropping off a cliff, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

 

[getready]

I am actually following Australia's media and I know about the infamous Murdoch controlled news there and their propaganda against China etc. My post was not about what Australia is doing, I dont care much about it actually
It was about how China responded to it with its media. Simple rule to follow, if you dont have your bases covered, stop barking

Nah dude, seems like you dun know enough. Its not just the infamous Murdoch media, it's ALL the Aussie media, pretty much all political spectrum of the Aus media is anti China nowadays. Even smh, abc, sbs, the non Murdoch ones. All these media proclaimed to be centre leaning, left leaning, and migrant leaning respectively are smearing China now. With heavy emphasis on anti China news. And I have good reasons to believe they are in cahoots with the aussie government to coordinate their attacks on China. China I repeat has been VERY restrained compared to Aus side, if you think China should 100% keep quiet like a weakling then fine but I disagree with you.


So I'm sorry, with other countries I defer to opinions of other experts here but with aussie relationship and the shenanigans towards china, I have to disagree with you 100%. Everyday reading aussie news on China makes my blood boil, everyday I ask myself why is China not going harder on Australia, not fighting back against their smearing. China I repeat have been very restrained already.

 

[Tyler]

No. I enjoy mocking stupidity and baseless bravado which is not backed by something solid in reality


The guy is an idiot but the numbers dont lie. Australia is making bank and will continue do so in the future. Iron Ore will forever be in demand



^^This is the baseless bravado I was talking about just now. It seems China had your types in command which is why they have an egg on their face now


Iron Ore sales to China show otherwise. The money Australia lost on Chinese sanction are getting them back from iron ore sales and then using that money to subsidise the sanctioned businesses. So as I said before, an egg on China's face



This is true. But Iron Ore will forever be in demand so ...



Yes whatever. The US will just pull its usual shenanigans in Africa and destroy any Chinese efforts to build up their mines.
Watch China go "non-interference", while their mining project goes up to flames. It would be very entertaining to witness



I am actually following Australia's media and I know about the infamous Murdoch controlled news there and their propaganda against China etc. My post was not about what Australia is doing, I dont care much about it actually
It was about how China responded to it with its media. Simple rule to follow, if you dont have your bases covered, stop barking


Interesting opinion and I think you might have a point here, but it is too soon to say for sure.

However I will say that there is no way that Global Times was allowed to attack Australia without a nod from the higher ups from the CPC

Anyway, I will stop this offtopic convo here. We can move this to the world thread if needed. I will say it again though, that this is not for just mocking and accusing China mindlessly but about critising them for not doing their homework before barking about dealing economic damage

yeah, you are right the aussies have eggs on their face. They embarrassed themselves big time internationally, as the Chinese exposed the killings by their peace keepers. The lost sales to China and in tourism is so big that the racists aussies are so angry of their own actions.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Where do you think the term "Ugly American" tourists came from? It ain't Chinese Americans that's for sure.

Like I've said before the countries most pro-West have a love/hate relation with them. They love them for the glamorous image and money they bring and hate them because they have to know their place when around them. I remember when I was younger a radio personality on a San Francisco radio station talked openly how he worked at a station where they held a party at a venue for listeners. The number of people that could go was limited so listeners had to send a postcard to the station for first come first serve tickets. He said when postcards started arriving the station manager went through them and discarded all the ones that had Asian names because having a party full of Asians wasn't good for the station's image even though their radio audience had a lot of Asians... You don't need to behave badly to be ugly or uglier in this case.

 

[getready]

yeah, you are right the aussies have eggs on their face. They embarrassed themselves big time internationally, as the Chinese exposed the killings by their peace keepers. The lost sales to China and in tourism is so big that the racists aussies are so angry of their own actions.

Ironically Australia so keen to act as footsoldiers of US but alot of the business from China now lost to their masters, the US lol.

 

[manqiangrexue]

No. I enjoy mocking stupidity and baseless bravado which is not backed by something solid in reality

You enjoy shoving your head in the dirt by "ignoring" users who point out your wrongs so you can keep living in a fantasy where you can narrate.

The guy is an idiot but the numbers dont lie. Australia is making bank and will continue do so in the future. Iron Ore will forever be in demand



^^This is the baseless bravado I was talking about just now. It seems China had your types in command which is why they have an egg on their face now


Iron Ore sales to China show otherwise. The money Australia lost on Chinese sanction are getting them back from iron ore sales and then using that money to subsidise the sanctioned businesses. So as I said before, an egg on China's face

You: "Numbers don't lie."

Also you: Posts an article that says, "Australia’s total merchandise exports to China in 2020 were worth $145.05 billion, down by $3.3 billion or just 2.2 per cent from the record high of the previous year, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics."

And then you claim someone else has egg on their face LOL You probably continue to make these statements because you have so much egg on your face you can't see through the omega-3 goodness.

 

[getready]

I think we should all calm down, take it down a notch including me lol. voyager has good intentions, it's good we have different opinions and engage in discussing about wats best for China. With good intentions it's all productive compared to other discussions by anti China trolls with an agenda.