Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[AssassinsMace]

I saw one of Trump's former intelligence officials being interviewed on CNN. He said there are Russian documents from years ago that said the Wuhan lab was unsafe and that's proof of a lab leak. That's not proof it started in a lab. And remember early on they said the Wuhan lab was across the street from the wet market.

If COVID-19 is new then how would the Chinese know of its existence and how contagious it was to keep it in a lab to study? It was in a lab just not in China because Trump blamed Obama for not making a vaccine against COVID-19 back when he was President meaning they knew about it and was in their labs.

 

[vincent]

Are there any American made or based inactivated Covid-19 vaccines in the pipeline or are the vaccines just basically a choice between MRna of Pfizer/Biontech, Moderna and disabled adenovirus from J&J

Novavax, protein-based

 

[AndrewS]

Yeah sorry but this rings some bs bells to me. The advantage of mRNA vaccine is how easily the vaccine can be changed to combat new variants and then easily produced

So while he may be right that inactivated vaccines are more effective against future variants, what happens if a variant emerges that it can bypass the vaccine? How long would the company need to change the vaccine and then scale up production? Months?

While the mRNA tech would just change the vaccine and then produce it the next day

Uh no.

Pfizer currently takes 110 days to make up a batch of mRNA vaccine. They are hoping to get this down to 60 days.

Based on the announcements from Sinovac for their inactivated vaccine, it looks like a batch takes 2-3months from their new factory.

So there's not much practical difference in terms of production times for mRNA versus inactivated vaccine.

 

[B.I.B.]

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Interview of Chairman of SinoPharm:

The west does not pursue inactivated vaccine because they are NOT ABLE to. The advantage of inactivated vaccine over any other types are it is more effective against future variant than any other types of vaccine because it uses the full dead body of virus rather than a small piece.

Six key techs that enabled China's speedy development of inactivated vaccine.

First, selection and isolation of desired virus sample in 16 days. This basically defeated the speed advantage of mRNA against new variant.


Second, breakthrough in inactivation process. Safe and adequate to maintain "antigen" characteristic.


Third, breakthrough in purification in volume. The breakthrough was achieved in 2013 from the IPV vaccine.



Forth, mass production (cultivation of virus). Other countries do not have. Once again from IPV program.


Fifth, packaging.


Sixth, bio-safety. SinoPharm has built the production platform including P3 standard in 2017 from the ipv program after 8 years of research. China already have the full set of tech before Covid-19. This is also what I said long time ago that no country has P3 production capability except China.



In summary, in China's perspective, mRNA or any other fancy vaccines have no advantage in dealing Covid-19 and China has a mature and ready production line by 2020. Inactivated vaccine is the natural choice.

I wonder if that could be ammo for the West to use against China?

 

[Skywatcher]

Bidden terminated the state department's investigation from Fat Ass Mike Pempeo's day, since it was basically Iraq's WMD 2.0 ( remember Collin Powell, sectary of the State for Bush Jr. at UN ) and state department keep leaking those classified fake intelligence to MSM. He order the actual intelligence agencies to conduct this investigation, and report in 90 days.

He might well use this to blackmail China for some kind of concession, but most likely he's using the new investigation to shut up the QAnon republicans and all those so called classified leaks to MSM. State department playing politics, Intel agencies probably won't.

Here is Scott Ritter's article on RT about this..

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On the plus side for China, if the GOP takes at least one of the chambers of Congress and goes all Benghazi investigating "Fauci and China created COVID-19 to overthrow Trump!", that will probably be the one thing that breaks the bipartisan China competition consensus in America.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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[voyager1]

Uh no.

Pfizer currently takes 110 days to make up a batch of mRNA vaccine. They are hoping to get this down to 60 days.

Based on the announcements from Sinovac for their inactivated vaccine, it looks like a batch takes 2-3months from their new factory.

So there's not much practical difference in terms of production times for mRNA versus inactivated vaccine.

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Moderna designed its mRNA construct last January and had it ready for testing by March 2020.

 

[s002wjh]

3) Biden probably can't pressure Xi from giving concessions via the lab leak theory anyway. Previous attempts with Xinjiang and Hongkong have already ended in failure.

i'm not so sure about that, xinjiang & hongkong is just that not in america. but the virus hit US hard, and its personal, i would imagine they will put more pressure than xinjiang/HK.

 

[ironborn]

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Well, China locked down Wuhan on Jan 23rd. If i remember correctly, genetic sequence was published on Jan 12th, so Moderna either works really fast, or they have prior knowledge of the virus.
But do also consider nowadays, anyone can get their article published if the editors think it can get more clicks on their website.

 

[voyager1]

but more importantly Russian media will make a huge stink about it when the results are published.

I think you underestimate the control that the US has on the world's media.

As long as they shout this lie a 100, a 1000, or a 10000 times from different "news", they will make the world believe that the virus leaked from a Wuhan Biolab.

When a person starts hearing the same thing from 3-4 different sources that will convince him that what the media are saying is true