Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

Brigadier
Yeah sorry but this rings some bs bells to me. The advantage of mRNA vaccine is how easily the vaccine can be changed to combat new variants and then easily produced

So while he may be right that inactivated vaccines are more effective against future variants, what happens if a variant emerges that it can bypass the vaccine? How long would the company need to change the vaccine and then scale up production? Months?

While the mRNA tech would just change the vaccine and then produce it the next day
I think mRNA only needs 2 days to design its vaccine. However, new technique of inactivated vaccine has shortened the process to 16 days so the difference isn't that great.
 

Gatekeeper

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Registered Member
This is how hard China is working to fight this covid in China

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Meanwhile our queen of the well, the English vegetable is still playing the blame game.

Loved the caption. Just briefly for those don't read Chinese. Roughly:

U.S. is selling you out of date weapons.
So they are waiting for the vaccine to be out of date before they can sell it to you.

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eprash

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Interview of Chairman of SinoPharm:

The west does not pursue inactivated vaccine because they are NOT ABLE to. The advantage of inactivated vaccine over any other types are it is more effective against future variant than any other types of vaccine because it uses the full dead body of virus rather than a small piece.

Six key techs that enabled China's speedy development of inactivated vaccine.

First, selection and isolation of desired virus sample in 16 days. This basically defeated the speed advantage of mRNA against new variant.


Second, breakthrough in inactivation process. Safe and adequate to maintain "antigen" characteristic.


Third, breakthrough in purification in volume. The breakthrough was achieved in 2013 from the IPV vaccine.



Forth, mass production (cultivation of virus). Other countries do not have. Once again from IPV program.


Fifth, packaging.


Sixth, bio-safety. SinoPharm has built the production platform including P3 standard in 2017 from the ipv program after 8 years of research. China already have the full set of tech before Covid-19. This is also what I said long time ago that no country has P3 production capability except China.



In summary, in China's perspective, mRNA or any other fancy vaccines have no advantage in dealing Covid-19 and China has a mature and ready production line by 2020. Inactivated vaccine is the natural choice.
Can the tech be implemented to mRNA production and make it even faster currently it takes couple of days to develop mRNA vac for new variant , Could it be done in hours instead?
 

siegecrossbow

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The more I think about Biden's rehash of the COVID lab leak theory, the dumber it gets. Let's go with the assumption that he did it to force concessions from China (my hypothesis from several hundred posts back).

1) If U.S. Intelligence findings support the Wuhan lab leak theory, Biden pretty much just bolstered the credibility of Trump and the QAnon folks. Never mind that Biden himself had a hand in terminating the investigation early in his presidency. What delicious conspiracy theories would the far right cook up, especially given the circumstances? If you think that this is unfounded just look at how the stories by CNN and Washington Post contain fine prints on how "Trump is still wrong" and how "American scientists are not involved" and how "Right Wing theories of genetic engineered virus are still unlikely, it was probably natural virus leaked by the lab". The left-wing media is basically trying to distance themselves from the very same conspiracy theory they are endorsing. :)
2) If U.S. Intelligence doesn't find conclusive evidence of Wuhan lab leak theory, Chinese, but more importantly Russian media will make a huge stink about it when the results are published. Cue memes of laundry detergents once again. Domestically, neither the right nor the left will be satisfied.
3) Biden probably can't pressure Xi from giving concessions via the lab leak theory anyway. Previous attempts with Xinjiang and Hongkong have already ended in failure.
 

vincent

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I think mRNA only needs 2 days to design its vaccine. However, new technique of inactivated vaccine has shortened the process to 16 days so the difference isn't that great.
The longest period during development is the clinical trials anyway, which normally takes years to complete. MMR vaccine's development was the quickest in history and it took 4 years. mRNA and adeno vector vaccines' potential long term effects are unknown at the moment. We know so far inflammatory cardiomyopathy, irregular periods, and blood clots.
 

ironborn

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Bidden terminated the state department's investigation from Fat Ass Mike Pempeo's day, since it was basically Iraq's WMD 2.0 ( remember Collin Powell, sectary of the State for Bush Jr. at UN ) and state department keep leaking those classified fake intelligence to MSM. He order the actual intelligence agencies to conduct this investigation, and report in 90 days.

He might well use this to blackmail China for some kind of concession, but most likely he's using the new investigation to shut up the QAnon republicans and all those so called classified leaks to MSM. State department playing politics, Intel agencies probably won't.

Here is Scott Ritter's article on RT about this..
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Sardaukar20

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The more I think about Biden's rehash of the COVID lab leak theory, the dumber it gets. Let's go with the assumption that he did it to force concessions from China (my hypothesis from several hundred posts back).

1) If U.S. Intelligence findings support the Wuhan lab leak theory, Biden pretty much just bolstered the credibility of Trump and the QAnon folks. Never mind that Biden himself had a hand in terminating the investigation early in his presidency. What delicious conspiracy theories would the far right cook up, especially given the circumstances? If you think that this is unfounded just look at how the stories by CNN and Washington Post contain fine prints on how "Trump is still wrong" and how "American scientists are not involved" and how "Right Wing theories of genetic engineered virus are still unlikely, it was probably natural virus leaked by the lab". The left-wing media is basically trying to distance themselves from the very same conspiracy theory they are endorsing. :)
2) If U.S. Intelligence doesn't find conclusive evidence of Wuhan lab leak theory, Chinese, but more importantly Russian media will make a huge stink about it when the results are published. Cue memes of laundry detergents once again. Domestically, neither the right nor the left will be satisfied.
3) Biden probably can't pressure Xi from giving concessions via the lab leak theory anyway. Previous attempts with Xinjiang and Hongkong have already ended in failure.
Yes. I believe that even if the US intelligence concludes that the Wuhan lab leak 'is real'. The US is not gonna be able to get any concessions from China. They might be joined by a number of countries to demand reparations from China, but all they'll still get is the middle finger, and nothing. Everything is be just a big drama. The US did this so many times in the past, trying to use 'international pressure' to get China, Russia, Iran, or other enemies to concede something:

1) ROKS Cheonan sinking. The US was determined to prove North Korea's guilt. Whether true or not. North Korea paid nothing, and no war happened.
2) SCS tribunal ruling in favour of The Philippines. China simply ignored it, PH and USA make noises, but nothing happened.
3) MH-17 shootdown kangaroo investigation. The US and EU accused Russia as responsible for the shootdown of MH-17. Apart from sanctions, the US, EU and victims wanted to claim reparations. Russia ignored them, and that's it.
4) All the dubious UK Novichok poisoning cases. Again trough a kangaroo investigation, UK and US concluded Russia's guilt. Again, Russia got more sanctions only. Russia conceded no reparations to the Scripal family or British govt. The British govt and media at one time even said that the use of Novichok on British soil is a WMD attack on Britain. Did Britain retaliated with nukes to Russia? Nope!
5) Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and Tibet Human Rights Bill. There are provisions in the bill that 'enables' the US to seize assets from 'guilty' individuals. Well, no assets were seized thus far. What China only got was more sanctions.
6) After killing Soleimani, Trump gave an ultimatum to Iran, that any attacks on US soldiers in the Middle East will mean war with the US. Iran did send missiles into a US airbase in Iraq. Sure it was just a demonstration. But Trump, with a face white from terror said 'all is fine', and no war happened next.
7) Trump got no concessions from China after a 3 year long trade war which included the kidnapping of Meng Wanzhou.
8) 'Xinjiang genocide' BS. Only sanctions and some commercial sabotage, but no further actions by the US and friends.

So, after the US had framed China's guilt for the Wuhan Covid-19 lab leak. Very likely China will receive more sanctions. WIV may get its qualifications revoked. Dr Shi might get a US/5-eyes arrest warrant. More boycotts. China will then counter sanction. And then...nothing. Back to business as usual.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Are there any American made or based inactivated Covid-19 vaccines in the pipeline or are the vaccines just basically a choice between MRna of Pfizer/Biontech, Moderna and disabled adenovirus from J&J
 
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