They can help by not wasting precious medical gear.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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They can help by not wasting precious medical gear.
Just wait for the Sinovac vaccine if you can but if Pfizer is available then you can make your own judgment.
America must close all its BSL-4 laboratories to protect against a future lab leak
If the lab leak conspiracy theory is true, the greatest threat to America's national security are its BSL-4 laboratories.A virus could leak from Fort Detrick and kill millions of Americans. It could happen today. It could happen tomorrow.
BSL-4 laboratories are located in the Five Eyes and the EU (plus Switzerland). Every day they stay open, a virus could leak out and kill ten million people.
Close those laboratories!
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That's a severe adverse reaction of less than one in a million!
Damn, I wish we had the Chinese vaccines here, I would take it in a heartbeat.
This is worth watching. Its a proper discussion with 3 lead scientists (Peter Daszak, Thea Kolsen, and Marion Koopmans) from the WHO team who visited Wuhan and the WIV. They discussed their investigation into the Wuhan lab leak theory, starting from 50:00.
Its a long watch. I would recommend to watch all of it. Because it is an educational experience. It gives you the idea of just how monumental the scale of the work that they are doing in their mission to find the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
In summary, they've visited not just the WIV, but in total 3 labs in Wuhan. They mainly did interviews with the people in the labs. They asked very comprehensive questions, even very tough ones. And they have found nothing out of the ordinary, or anything that would indicate that something fishy happened. Peter Daszak even mentioned that the latest WSJ report about the 3 sick WIV staffs was something already mentioned in Mike Pompeo's 'intelligence findings' back in January before Biden took over the presidency. He approached that 'intelligence team' to ask them to share the report and any information, so that the WHO team could look into it. But surprise, surprise, nothing. Marion Koopmans had also asked publicly that if there is any evidence about the Wuhan lab theory, please share it with them, even confidentially if needed. But they have received nothing. They didn't do any of the more stringent investigations like opening freezers, or taking samples from the lab. Because they are not there to do a lab audit. But then again, there is no credible evidence for them to follow on to that would make that step necessary in their first visit to the WIV.
Maybe a proper lab audit could be planned for their next investigative visit to the WIV. But we must pray that it is these same people who are going to do it, not some other compromised scientists or any of those a-hole witch-hunters. If the WHO investigative team is compromised, China should not allow them into Wuhan.
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To be more exact, risk of severe adverse reaction = 100000/0.07 => 1 in 1,428,571
That would mean if the whole of Singapore's population were to use Chinese vaccines, only 4 people would have a severe adverse reaction and all 4 would probably survive it.
I wonder how things are turning out in actual fact for Singapore who uses only non-Chinese vaccines in their vaccination program.
I have been listening to TWIV ever since the beginning of the pandemic. The scientists on the show have been very neutral in their analysis and sometimes even supportive of the Chinese government's pandemic control methods. I learned a great deal from them
That's largely happened in all western countries. They looked at what happened in China and other Asian countries, and assumed they would need the same.
Turns out, the reason why they needed so many ventilators was because people were monitored closely when symptoms were mild and ventilation care could be escalated when needed. The UK and USA basically told everyone unwell to stay home and by the time they became too ill, it was too late.
So you thousands of people dying while hospitals wards were not near maximum capacity and lots of equipment went unused. Madness.
A Danish Norwegian study has found Astra Zeneca to be generally safe
However I'll ieave it up to forumnites to decide whether 1 in 40000 persons getting a blood clot on the brain is ok
Systematic study of 280,000 vaccinated people aged 18-65
1/However, they identified an increased incidence of blood clots in the veins (venous blood clots), including a slightly increased incidence of blood clots in the veins of the brain, corresponding to one additional such clot per 40,000 vaccine recipients.
These rare blood clots in combination with low platelet counts are referred to as the VITT syndrome. The occurrence of VITT after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine has led to the removal of the vaccine from the Danish and Norwegian vaccination programmes against COVID-19.
The absolute risk to the individual vaccine recipient is still considered to be low.
I'm not a vaccine conspiracy theorist but giving out numbers like this for a new vaccine is wrong. A few weeks ago people were talking about a one in several million risk of VITT syndrome.
People are used to giving out statistics like NNH (number needed to harm) with other vaccines and drugs but that is usually with the benefit of years or even decades of testing.
In the emergency approval, adverse effects are bound to show up later. Quite often you don't even know what you are looking for until you've vaccinated a significant proportion of your population.
That's why that number keeps dropping, and why a country with a better surveillance system e.g. Germany identified them sooner than the UK.