Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Sardaukar20]

Here is a genome map of what viruses have been identified in China. This map is shared by Dr Peter Daszak. It looks like it is sourced from the Medical Research Council, the University of Glasgow, and the Center of Virus Research.


The closest cousins to the SARS-CoV-2 virus appears to be the viruses: RatG13 and the Pangolin-CoV. Lets see how the many versions of the Wuhan lab leak theory look like with some critical thinking:

1) "SARS-CoV-2 is natural. But it leaked from the WIV":
SARS-CoV-2 was not in the inventory of the WIV before the Wuhan outbreak of 2019. SARS-CoV-2 was not even identified by the WIV prior to that outbreak. So no, this theory is a dead end.

But...but... what about that super dangerous bat cave in China? The one that killed some virologists. The one that China restricted entrance to. Ok, but that place didn't have SARS-CoV-2, it was another virus. But...but... the Chinese definitely lied! It definitely is SARS-CoV-2! Ok, is there evidence? No. But what is evidence right now is that there was another dangerous virus in that cave. In any case, that's where the WHO is gonna check out soon, and China is giving them access. China is not hiding anything. If SARS-CoV-2 really did come from that cave, then wouldn't it just easily spread around the area instead of just appearing in WIV and Wuhan? Bats can fly you know.

2) "SARS-CoV-2 is man-made, and it leaked from the WIV":
First of all, its not in the inventory of the WIV prior to the Wuhan outbreak. So quick answer is no, SARS-CoV-2 was not 'made' there.

But...but... they must have covered up their tracks! They definitely have created SARS-CoV-2 from one of those viruses! Ok, so which one of those natural viruses was 'converted' into SARS-CoV-2? Let's say RatG13. Then what is the mechanism to do so by human intervention? 'Gain of function' research? Is there evidence that that was done? No. So its another dead end.

But... but... I don't trust China and the WIV! They must have lied! Ok, then have someone else recreate SARS-CoV-2 from RatG13 or the other found viruses. Could it be repeated in another experiment? If not, then its not science! Its just a hypothesis. And hypothesis is not evidence!

3) "Natural or not. Covid-19 definitely must have leaked out of the WIV!"
Well. If that was really true, then this would have spread very quickly among the WIV staffs. The whole WIV would have been shut down and quarantined. Like, what *ahem* Fort Detrick had done when it had its own 'lapse of containment'. Huanan Seafood Market was shut down immediately when it was suspected to be a mass spreading place. But no, the WIV managed to continue their work helped to sequence the genome of the virus and share it with the world. Kinda impossible if Covid-19 was going around that place. Anyway, the WIV is a BSL-4 lab that is audited by and regularly communicates with international scientific bodies. Alarm bells would have been ringing in international scientific circles if there really was an outbreak of a mysterious virus like SARS-CoV-2 inside there. The lab would have been flagged by foreign scientists for shut down and quarantine. There would have been a paper trail for that, which is not the case.

With some common sense, it is relatively easy to see that the Wuhan lab theory just doesn't add up.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Agreed with @solarz. Any vaccine that made it past Phase III trials is good enough. If you need to vaccinate, then do it with what is available. Those deaths that are reported, are extremely rare cases and definitely over sensationalized. RT is definitely targeting that information at Western audiences. To make them doubt their governments. The Russian media is playing its role in this big messy information war.

P.S. Just make sure to stay away from Bharat Biotech's Covaxin. That's a big no no.

Yeah, just finished reading the article, actually printed it out to highlight the key points the author made about the MRna Vaccines it's properties, compositions etc.. the problem sometimes with information glut becomes too overwhelming for most of us lay person who are clueless shits when it comes to understanding natural science let alone microbiological science. Availability of information doesn't automatically lead to a well informed public. It leads to misinformation, disinformation, and public susceptibility to believe nut case conspiracies and affects even well meaning people into believing nutjobs propagating their own selfish interests.

 

[winword]

I don't know what to think anymore lol..I wish the Chinese vaccines were available in the country am currently stuck at the moment. WTF is going on here.

I don't know what to say about this, but personally I got quite severe palpitations after getting my first dose of pfizer vaccine, including skipping heartbeats and fast heart rate. I never had anything like that before and it felt really bad. I contacted my health provider they told me to stop checking smart watch all the time, and drink more water. Some member here also said it's all in my mind lol. I finally felt like normal again after a month, and I won't be getting the second dose. That said, this is purely anecdotal and I personally don't know anyone having similar problems. It's probably rare but right now there are 2370 reported palpitation cases in VAERS.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Very true.

Dream on, Bizarro Gordon Chang LOL

Internal revolutions may indeed break out in capitalist powers, given the ever-widening class divide there. And a racial war is the ruling class last straw to diverse the class war against itself to maintain power.

So here you say that the racial divide is tearing down the fabric of capitalist society.

That's why we should not fall for their trick of fanning racial hatred.

And here, you say that fanning racial hatred is a trick that capitalists use to divert away from crumbling society! You can't even get your story straight about what you think the effect of racism is in Western society and whether it helps or hurts their society.

Instead we need to stand in solidarity with white and colored masses in those countries against their own oppressors and exploiters.

They don't stand in solidarity with you because they think they're the master race so you will be standing by yourself.

A class war against the white ruling class by white and colored masses in the heartland of capitalist powers is the best way to liberate the oppressed masses (white and colored) there and world wide.

I'm all for playing America's trick back on them by fomenting unrest in their society, but honestly this is a side-quest; victory lies in China pulling itself ahead, not by trying to trip opponents on the way. America will not fade; China must face and overcome an America that is healthy, strong, and growing in its prime. If you want to wait for a rotting carcass, you will become the carcass before you find one.

With their white imperialist masters consumed by the threats of internal revolutions, local yellow and brown ruling elites will not last long either, including those in Taiwan.

There will always be the ruling elite; they may crumble and be changed if they are incompetent at leading their societies, but they will also be replaced by other ruling elite. People are not created equal; there are exceptionally smart, talented innovative natural leaders who will always rise to the top, become elite, and take a share of the pie that is far greater than the average. This isn't going anywhere and the conflict between China and America will forever be the Chinese elite leading the Chinese people against the American elite leading the American people. Anyone who fails to accept this on either side is just afraid of that battle.

 

[Sardaukar20]

Now for something less scientific. Here is how I would argue against those nut jobs who say: "I don't trust anything the CCP and the Chinese people said. They all lied! The WIV created and unleashed Covid-19 to the world!”

Now imagine that China was really that evil country that it was so often portrayed. And America is that god-fearing benevolent 'good guy'. So that evil China created a super virus like Covid-19 to sabotage the freeworld. Then that evil China accidentally or intentionally leaked out its own bioweapon. If China really was the bad guy. Here is how it would have happened:

Covid-19 leaked from WIV bioweapons lab. Mysterious Wuhan pneumonia cases detected in Dec 2019:

Evil China: Sh*t! Its a mess! Time to do the mother of all cover-ups.

WHO: Hey is there something happening in Wuhan?

Evil China: Naah, relax! Those were just some bad cases of the flu! Its flu season after all! Nothing to see here folks! It may even be those e-cigarettes, they do nasty things to your lungs! Chill! Go back to celebrating Xmas and the New Year!

Why should evil China even bother to sequence the virus, then warn the WHO and the US CDC? Just let the virus quietly spread and let those capitalists pigs suffer. Let them find out about the new virus by themselves!

WHO: Ok folks, China said its nothing. False alarm! Back to Xmas and Happy New Year 2020!

A few months later, in March 2020:

USA: Holy crap! There is a mysterious new virus going around! Our hospitals are overflowing! People are dying!

Evil China: *Busy containing and cleaning up the virus. No need to film and report the drama happening in Wuhan. Silence the whistle blowers. Media blackouts and distractions. No info sharing with the WHO. Radio silence.*

Why bother about transparency to please the capitalists pigs? Just do like what the Soviets did during the Chernobyl disaster in 1986! Cover it up and shut up while it still can be hidden.

WHO: Hey China, you know those mysterious pneumonia cases in Wuhan in Dec 2019? I think we should investigate those. There is a new super virus just discovered in America and its killing people around the world.

Evil China: No, we don't think so. We told you already! Its just the flu and maybe some e-cigarette poisoning! There is nothing to see here! Go and investigate America! It started in America after all! It must be coming from one of those biowarfare labs they have! That Anthony Fauci, he looks suspicious. He had done some research on HIV! He must has something to do with it!

Evil China: Let us denounce the evil capitalist America for unleashing their capitalist virus onto the world! Never trust the capitalist pigs, they always lie! America must pay!

Evil China: Rejoice workers of the world! We, the great Communist China are here to save the world from the American capitalist virus. Don't buy anything from America. You cannot trust them! Trust your only true comrade, China!

*End*

If this evil China sounds familiar, then yes it is someone familiar.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

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India is screwing up the world's vaccination plans by announcing it would supply 2 billion doses, but not being able to honour its contracts. Now many countries dependent on Indian contracts lack vaccines and this has stalled vaccinations worldwide.

India went from vaccine exporter to vaccine beggar. More evidence of its superpower status. Jai Hind!

 

[voyager1]

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India is screwing up the world's vaccination plans by announcing it would supply 2 billion doses, but not being able to honour its contracts. Now many countries dependent on Indian contracts lack vaccines and this has stalled vaccinations worldwide.

No worries, China will take India's place and take their money from the unfulfilled orders lol

This time India's neighbours learnt a harsh lesson. Never ever trust India.

Trust India -> Disaster
Trust China -> Save the countey

 

[KYli]

Sinovac still works on different variants.

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[siegecrossbow]

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India is screwing up the world's vaccination plans by announcing it would supply 2 billion doses, but not being able to honour its contracts. Now many countries dependent on Indian contracts lack vaccines and this has stalled vaccinations worldwide.

India went from vaccine exporter to vaccine beggar. More evidence of its superpower status. Jai Hind!

They made a boastful claim that they have no way of fulfilling when the deadline is near? You don’t say!

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

They made a boastful claim that they have no way of fulfilling when the deadline is near? You don’t say!

Check out the paragraph where they said vaccine maker Adar Poonawalla fled to London. Shit gets tough, time to ring the white man for rescue.